bump.. would be good to know.

Has anyone been here yet? :confused:

From what I've heard from numerous sources, this programme is to be avoided completely.

What do you mean by avoided?
May I know why?

yes why?

does anyone have any real info on what the delays are? for core flying? base training? and line training?

Who has failed the training? will they be refunded anything?

What the quality of training is like? Some say instructors are just CPL holders no jet time

Have you read the financial details of this course?

It is madness. Costing well in excess of £140,000 they make CTC look cheap and that is really saying something. It is ridiculous.

As well as that, the salary is 5,500 AED for your first 100 sectors too (unknown length of time due to varied scheduling but at least 4/5 months). Try living in Dubai on that. It seriously is not possible without taking out further loans.

Best avoided as I said. Now I have nothing against these people I just really think it isn't good. For what they are giving, it is crazily priced.

To give you some perspective. The CTC Qatar MPL costs £109,000. Your starting salary is in excess of £70,000 upon flying the line. Alpha just have taken it to a whole new level.

Before even getting to training, £700 for the assessment really should send alarm bells ringing :eek::eek::eek:

I am not sure what to make of speculation. Officer Kite and others make valid points, but as to the delays these have been cleared up. Officer Kite you are right, as far as real money goes this is expensive even for the initial assessments themselves. But tell me which course (pay to fly or not) gives you 1500H on type. This is pretty much the minimum to shift over to EY EK et al.

Has anyone been through the psychometric stage at EDMA yet?

Don't fall for marketing. EVERY airline scheme out there has one aim, that is to hire future captains. This automatically means more than 1500 hrs on type.

You may say you are not guaranteed it with other airlines. Well you aren't guaranteed 1500 hrs with Alpha. If you fail your exams or don't meet the Air Arabia standard, you will not be getting 1500 hours on type. This is absolutely no different to any other programme, but Alpha are trying to make it sound special with how they are marketing it.

There is a reason after having spent crazy amounts of cash on the training, that they actually want to get a 110,000 AED deposit off you ... this is in case you do not meet their standard and have to leave.

Now think about that, you have paid £140,000 on your training, and then when you get to line training, you have to pay an extra AED 110,000 deposit in case you fail the final part, Air Arabia call this their "security bond", but security against what ? you have paid for all of the training yourself, they have spent nothing on your training, but they want you to give them 110,000 AED in case you fail the final part. On what planet does this make sense ?

I think I sound angry haha, I'm really not, just trying to warn my fellow wannabe pilots about this scheme, there are far far better alternatives !!

Officer Kite - well said. At least with CTC you get a GUARANTEED position on the RHS obviously bearing in mind that you pass every stage, including the stable approach and landings on your Line training :)....the starting salary is also very good and you start on a career airline... This Air Arabia MPL is a joke, sure lets say you pass, but where in god's name do you balance out your investment? The housing is poor, the salary is poor for a while and the risk is just too great. Even if you get the inital money, no bank is gonna offer you MORE for this security bond/living expenses.

Also remember, an MPL allows you to fly on a specific type, for ONE (1) airline. For those thinking of going to Air Arabia and then simply changing airlines, until you an an ATPL forget about it. So at any point if Air Arabia leaves you hanging, good luck trying to get an airline to hire you.

There are far better options!

Indeed striker.

I actually thought I was seeing things when I first read the financial details. Living in Dubai on £1,300 a month? After having taken out a loan of £140,000 already? The laborers have a better deal (and the sad part about that statement is that it is true!).

And in the very small dealings I have had with the school, I found them unhelpful and somewhat unfriendly and definitely greedy, I got the sense it was just about my pockets, of course all schools want the cash, but I've yet to meet other schools who make it so rudely obvious. This is not biased, but any remote thoughts I may have had of doing this course were quickly extinguished in two goes.

First go - reading the costs and subsequent salary.

Second go - The displeasure of dealing with the school. Ignoring emails etc.

Go for it by all means but beware you are committing financial suicide with huge risks associated.

No ways
 

Alpha is a NO GO . MPL is another P2F. Lot of money, poor salary, you can't upgrade.

Moreover no options for you with MPL in market if you get sacked anyday.

I have not seen CTC gurantee training upon successful completion. It merely states 98% success rate on the White Tail scheme which includes line flying or a place on a flexi crew kinda scheme, which is far from the security of a real job..

The delays have not been cleared up! How long does it take to wait for core flying and base training ?

No scheme on the planet guarantees you a job.

But Alpha make it sound like they do, when they don't.

Look man, if you wanna pay £140,000 for training then earn £1,300 a month, be my guest. I'm just warning those who aren't aware of the reality of this scheme.

1300pounds per month is only for frist few months isn't it?
I heard the salery goes up to 5000pounds per month after that while flying for 1500hours.

Correct - plus can this stuff not be confirmed during a site visit? And in comparison that's a pretty decent amount.

Try to survive with 1300 Pounds in DXB. Good luck...

I know that is totally impossible. But there aren't much choices for people from poor aviation industry countries.

The 110,000 for line training ? Does Aby return that to you or keep it for themselves ? It's ridiculous how low the salary is after all that and you are still bonded .

Anyone been here yet? Arriving in two weeks, have just booked a hotel near by. :ugh::ugh:

Hi Guys,

I want to know what topics and type of questions are included in the Physics assessment at Alpha Aviation Academy?

Thanks,
Saurabh

Hello everyone,
The 110,000 is a security deposit.
An amount from it is added to your salary per month and by the end of line training, you would have recovered the entire amount.

As far as salaries are concerned, they are quite good if you compare them to other airlines.
Earning 15-20k per month as a second officer is a good deal, and will then increase to 30-35k once you become a first officer.

Aiza, this is spot on. Still a risk for many, but from all those who are currently enrolled/complete it seems to be the case.

ABY does not have an open door policy, management does what they feel like
The instructors ? Some dont have any jet or airline experience
15-20k AED is not a good salary after paying 560K AED
5 year bond after paying that much money? Really?
Rostering and HR are a disaster, most ops people are rude
No command upgrade program in place

This works great if you are rich and want a right seat 320 gig

Haha not an MPL cadet, not involved with Aby at the moment but have dealt with them in the past

And no have not failed a line check , OPC or any other training .

HR and management is rude and not cooperative , that's my opinion. Glad I'm not flying there

Pfvspnf,
If you aren't there then how do you know these things?

Ofcourse you are entitled to have an opinion but stop spreading bull****!
Open door policy - yes!
Rostering is disaster - not at all!
Most people rude - not al all, most people are extremely friendly
Command upgrades - bit though but possible

So please, don't mislead people.

Blue skies

Please learn to read , I said I've dealt with them in the past . And from what I hear nothing's changed.

Mmm how many MPL have been upgraded? Zero ?

15k good salary ? Great you go on ahead, lovely how the management unilaterally decided to reduce the salary from 27k to 15? Remember that ?

You do what you want, but everything is not strawberries and champagne at Aby (no pun intended) haha

FYI 4500 hrs required for upgrade in Air Arabia, so guys are just coming up for command. And yes, two MPL guys already upgraded and flying as captains!

Alpha Philippines ��!

I've got 4 ATPLs on different licenses none of them MPL
Flight instructor ratings from FAA and Canada
Turboprop command time prop time in Africa
4000 airbus

And a disgruntled cadet from aplha ?

I speak the truth , if you want to hear it PM me

Aiza dont pass such remarks. Infact his posts alone will help many new cadets from investing their hard earned money wisely. Dont just dismiss him. Think before joining.

Are there any alternatives ?? Really ?? Excluding Qatar and cadet/ national programs - can You name some alternatives that gets You straight to the right seat ? Anyone?

I'd like to know the incidents/serious mishaps/ASRs/ hard landings that have happened because of MPL, of course things happen everywhere but putting a newbie with 70 hours in the right seat has gotta be scary for the instructor / line captain .

You guys are telling me the kids fly every sector perfectly and nothing ever goes wrong ? How has Aby done the risk mitigation ?

Not criticizing , just wondering before ! I'm sure the Line trainers and TRIs are good, no doubt about that but things happen ..

anyone confirmed for assessment at E.D.M.A yet? Just booked my date now but not much info provided on what the psychometrics entail.

Looks like Air Arabia hires the most MPL pilots out of any airline in the region (could be a good sign for those who actually this?)...still a lot of money, and very poor structure...the cost (approx 600000 AED) doesn't even include accommodation!

http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/ops-inf...Pages/mpl.aspx

Click MPL Implementation around the World, then the excel sheet.

This also applies to Alpha MPL pilots moving to other carriers in the region. All ME3 except QR infact. Source is good.

Personally, i dont think Air Arabia is a career airline, unless you are captain, even then, the ME3 have far better pay/location. I think Arabia should be ashamed to offer such an expensive program, only to have the graduates live off second officer salary, not guarantee them a job (only a320 hours at first)...yes by the report most go on to line flying, but the circumstances are just too risky. Pretty sure most SO's go on to FO, gain enough to apply to ME3, and leave.

Same situation with FZ's SO program, low hour pilot, 35k usd for 737 type rating, only for an interview (if you pass the checkride!) !!!

Hopefully we see some oversight from the governing bodies as to SOME security for the candidates, like CTC has...sort of...

The thing that baffles me and will always baffle me about this programme is how they expect anyone to live off of such extremely low salaries in one of the world's most expensive cities. Surely many people have to take out extra loans, £130,000 without even living costs during the course, it is absolutely ridiculous, whether they give back 110,000 aed of the deposit back or not, it is still cash you must find in the first place. I say more fool the ones applying,

Not sure why everyone keeps harping on about these "low salaries"... It's only for 100 sectors then they include a flying allowance up until you reach the 1,500hrs which you can find a copy of online.

If you are joining this profession then you should have a few things already tucked under your belt, one being an organised/well time managed individual.

You've just completed ground school as well as the core flying phase without any salary and still been able to eat. (Might not have party every weekend, buying $1000 bottles for the fireworks to show off in the club.. but still been able to eat)

Now why wouldn't you factor the first couple months (100 sectors) of line training into the planning of not making any salary during training also?

Yes, I am sure everyone believes 5,000AED/month is robbery when you think the person controlling that 50,000kg metal tube traveling at 800km/h is getting paid just that. But then think about the not so fortunate pilots that start from the ground up... The pilots that start instructing on 152's to hopefully one day get enough hours to be considered for a charter pilot on a King Air. Then a crazy amount of time on a twin prop before United/Delta/BA/Qantas would even consider them. You'd be well into your 40's possibly 50's before you'd have a chance in a jet.

Yes this course is expensive, yes they pay "low salaries" initially. But upon completion...and you're not a lunatic... ABY offer you a contract and within 2-3 years after starting at Alpha as a cadet you're on +25kAED/month + flying allowances!!

Please tell me of other courses that are of similar outcomes and cheaper in price excluding the GCC. If you get into ABY's MPL you come out with 1,500hrs on an a320 within around 3-4 years (give or take), at around the 750 mark they offer a contract (apparently) and at 1,500hrs that MPL that you're "abandoned with" according to some people on this thread and can't do anything with; turns into an ATPL automatically. That's minimum for most other GCC carriers especially at the moment with the shortage of pilots in the region.

Please don't take away from my rant that this MPL programme is a Pay-to-Fly scheme, it's not. I will tell you first hand that there are some people that think it is in the course however; if you are not up to standards ABY takes no prisoners and will cut you loose. That's why when you read the contract it is so scary, but it is for exactly that. The people who think they can throw money at something and climb on into an Airbus flight deck.

Anyways, that's my two cents... if anyone has any questions please don't hesitate to PM me.

Safe flying boys and girls.

Well said. :D

It most certainly a pay to fly scheme, no illusions about it . AED 570,000 plus a 110,000 deposit is a ridiculous amount of money. Return on investment is long and uncertain .

The day recession hits , the MPLs will be the first ones to be cut loose.

That being said , if you've got the resources , it's probably the quickest way to fly a jet.

How many MPLs have been fired ? Or let go ? From what I hear almost everyone has finished and are happy