Ek MANAGEMANT POINT OF VIEW..100 pilot's sick in EK A/C on ground.. LACK OF CREW!!!
 

Just flew with a TRE.

He was called out of his office to do a normal line flight.:eek::eek:
DUE TO LACK OF CREW.:ok:

Apparently 100 Guys called in sick.

3 A/C on ground :ok: NO CREW!!!!:ok::ok::ok::ok

The SH.T hit the fan and more to come....

EK, keep saving and push up the hours...! Here is the result...!

Congratulation to the wise leadership. We saved money, no matter what it cost!:}

Knackered!
 

There are a little over 100 sickies (over the last few days) but is that just sick or sick fatigue which'll add quite a few?!

Good news, bad news. Good-might begin to wake up the perfumed princes. Bad-EGT might be on the line.:ok:

Hi:)

Are they on strike...?:rolleyes:

Thanks:)

no I dont think so...

no they aren't....

If you work 92 hours for month, you are very open to any kind of virus....
and

FATIGUE!!!!!!!


NO strike...

92 hrs = 3 ULR's = 6 days work?

You all know what this means? Sick leave certificate required from day 1, from company approved doctors.

Threadstarter better hope his TRE doesn't read PPRUNE, or if he does, that he is anti EK management.

How many Aussies in EK? About 100?

@ Mana...

like in previous posts...

just a bubble of hot air....:ugh::ugh:

i guess you are in our management.....

OR please apply, we need ..... like you!!!!

Not knowing what you are talking about, but with a very loud voice....:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Mana, give it up. You have been rooted out already as management (either that or...... well better not go there).

''92 hrs = 3 ULR's = 6 days work?'' -Clearly shows you don't know much, but at least you put a question mark at the end of it.

''You all know what this means? Sick leave certificate required from day 1, from company approved doctors.''
-Inference is that people are not actually sick when they call sick, which is just not the case here.

''Threadstarter better hope his TRE doesn't read PPRuNe, or if he does, that he is anti EK management.'' -Veiled threat!

''How many Aussies in EK? About 100?'' -Wow, ignorant and zenophobic. Trying some more 'divide and conquer techniques?

Hi Everybody:D

I dont know if 100, 98, 93 or 104 but, there are lots of people at the same time....mmmmm:=

It seems to be a false illness in order to attract attention about living conditions and employ;)

New Year...are you a doctor?

mensaboy,

I'm not threatening anybody, nor am I in a position to do so. In my opinion, the thread starter has stuck his neck far out. If you go against your company in the ME, you better not give them the opportunity to identify you. Suddenly there is one more pilot not showing up for work tomorrow, and he'll find himself very lonely with no union to go to, and his mates will not support him. Not openly, because they know what might happen if they do.
Do you guys really think you are alone in here?

As for the sick leave certificates, that will be a ME-typical reaction to the "problem".

How long have you guys been here? Arabs don't like to be bullied or pressured. They don't like ultimatums. The will let the business suffer badly before they give in or lose face. It's their nature. If they have to give, it must be seen as coming from within their own group, not due to external pressure.

Now, out of curiosity, how many ULR's can you do in a month?

You, Sir, are a troll. A clueless troll. Don't feed the troll.

Ah, better now.

Oh dear! :ugh:

Mana, all of us who've worked in the Middle East have at some point or another come to the realisation that to an Arab, loss of face is virtually an intolerable insult, and that when loss of face happens, it's basically 'game over' and the 'I WIN-YOU LOSE' mindset then takes over to the exclusion of any other reasonable and/or sensible course of action or compromise that the Arab can take to resolve the problem.

So exactly what point are you trying to make?

Cheap shot Mana, but probably as good as we can expect from you. :yuk:

My point?

If you start to "go" sick in an organized way (and advertise it here!) to change things at EK, it will be a loss of face to give you what you want.

Ha ha ha ha ha ....:D

If this is really true......

What the hell took you pussies so long!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mana, your clumsy attempt at inferring that the alleged 100 crew calling sick represents crew going sick '...in an organised way' is a logical fallacy.

And frankly mana, if the 'I WIN-YOU LOSE' local mindset takes over to the exclusion of any other reasonable and/or sensible course of action or compromise that can be taken by EK management to resolve the problem, as you seem to be suggesting that it will, then won't that just be another one of those irrational 'speedbump' Insha'Allah events that seem to form part of everyday life in the Middle East? :ugh:

I think what Mana Ada..was implying was that if you want productivity , you need to look beyond Australia.And I quite agree with him.The usual Australian crew mindset is that they try to sell the safety angle ..about how safe their crew are..and thats how they gain a foothold anywhere..well EK have already scraped 2 A 340s...so much for safety...my advice to the EK management , look around , there are a lot of willing and capable pilots around the world willing to work for then...:ok:.

Sky Dancer
lets get a grip here.
What does the "apparent" safety centred mindset of Australian crews have to do with the scraping of two A340 tails. Are you implying EK should look for less safe "cheaper pilots" from somewhere else.
Also what does any of this have to do with pilots sick days.

That cryptic comment needs to be de-coded.

ManaAda's user name would lead anyone with even a passing knowledge of Bahasa Malay to come to the conclusion that he might be Malaysian. (The name, which i'll leave him to explain lest I offend if I did, is a play on the national airline's initials.)

If that's the case, he may be one of the many Malaysian's who took a little too enthusiastically to the views of the ex Prime Minister of that country, the good Dr M, who often and repeatedly blamed Australians for every woe and misfortune that befell his lovely country.

100 pilots = about 4% of total.

Wouldn't that be about normal for an airline?

3 long hauls= 92 hours?

Try an Airbus schedule. 92 hours is downright dangerous on the bus fleet. Can you imagine AS or MM doing this type of flying? Not on your life.... It's completely exhausting and the most unsafe flying in the company. I'm not surprised there are 100 sick people out there. It will continue...

double thumbs up:ok::ok:

@NO LAND 3

the fact are not the 100 pilots...

The fact is the parked 3 A/C....

Meaning: not covering for 4% of sick guys...

Human nature tends to be driven by satisfying their own needs.........so if 100 call in sick.......another 100 will MOST probably take their places and keep the planes flying. eg a TRE who is tired of doing sim, checking, training blah blah or a poorly paid FO who needs the money at the end of the month, a guy who doesn't read Pprune and doesn't give a damn about what the masses think about EK...the list is endless. Pilots will always play into the hands of management as long as we're not unionised.

Since that ain't gonna happen in UAE........the "fabble/fairy tale" of parked a/c in EK shall remain that.....an "......l heard EK has grounded 3 a/c.......":ugh:

McGreaser

Has it occured to you that these guys might genuinly be fatigued or sick??? Therefore only doing their professional duty as per FOM and call in sick???
I very much think that this is the case, as most guys i fly with are fine professionals, only lead by unprofessional managers.
The real danger and the problems comes from the latter, make no mistake. It is NOT the problem of the sick or fatigued as to who will eventually fly their flights or not. If aircraft stay on ground it's the fault of EK!
The fault of pilots only sets in if they went on operating when fatigued or sick and this applies to those on reserve just as much.

We all feel the pinch of fatigue the new shafting of EK puts upon us. No wonder sickness rate increases.

Note: Funny enough to read AS's whinging about captains having to better manage the mess EKs mismanagers are constantly concocting! As tired as we all are, every delay or diversion pushing us into discretion immediatly, it is only human that we couldn't care less about this mess. Yes, we know that the customers expect more from the company and they pay for our service, but we simply run out of energy and motivation to stand in for those who create the mess but take the profit share, leaving us alone with 18.6% school fee increase etc. etc..
It is now only up to them to provide the manpower and eventually the T&Cs to mend the fences.

Thread drift but need to clarify....
 

MTOW
"ManaAda's user name would lead anyone with even a passing knowledge of Bahasa Malay to come to the conclusion that he might be Malaysian. (The name, which i'll leave him to explain lest I offend if I did, is a play on the national airline's initials.)

If that's the case, he may be one of the many Malaysian's who took a little too enthusiastically to the views of the ex Prime Minister of that country, the good Dr M, who often and repeatedly blamed Australians for every woe and misfortune that befell his lovely country."

I seriously doubt ManaAdaSystem is Malaysian. Ex-MAS/MH expat most likely. Not one of us-lah.

With his 10K hours and P1 on B737 EFIS but no LHS on Widebody I doubt he's Malaysian unless he jumped ship to AirAsia. Most Malaysian Nationals with that amount of total time would be now LHS widebody in MAS/MH.

Pool.........nice to see your rather passionate answer:ok: But did you actually read what l posted ?

Take another read .......and comment appropriately:hmm:

WOW!!! EK has gotton that bad??? I was turned down from even interviewing with EK two yrs ago due to having incomplete right bundle branch. Now this is nothing more than an eletrical impulse in the heart and I still hold a first class medical here in the USA with no issues or restrictions. Many people have it and dont even know it and it doesnt always show on an ekg. Well about three weeks ago I get this email from them asking me to reapply and thought nothing of it until now.

A320PLT

You can get ManaAdaSystem out of the kampung but ya can't get the kampumg out of the ManaAdaSystem!!

Guys
The email everyone got as to reapply was sent to everyone who had application on file with them. it was computer generated...it doesn't really mean they want to interview you...My friend with 3000 hours total time got the same email just because he had a application in the system. Good Luck to all.

McGreaser

Sorry, one should never post redeyed after a Variation1 flight ....
Just shows how safe we operate nowadays.

I gree with you. So that´s the meaning, one of them...Diana:ok:

You get a bull`s eye:D

So, they have to contract to fly, more than 100 pilots right now:eek:

;)

Same same south down the road.

So short of crews both seats on A320 that they have to cancel sim sessions to cover flights, because of pilots calling sick.

On top of that, A320 trainers resign as well as others on other fleets, but officialy the attrition rate is very low ( 20% of the A320 trainers and a few more to come ..... low my a:mad:s ....)

The portal does tell you....:hmm:

halas

Oh yes it does... if you know where to look at... :)
59 CMD and 43 FO

In other airlines...4% or 5% is not normal. For instance, a small Cia with 50 pilots and 5 planes. 4% 5%, means 2 pilots sick:eek:

They can not permit for mamy reasons. The most important SAFETY:ugh:

I had an application in which I didn't bother to keep current and allowed it to lapse ages ago. I had already forgotten about it. Still I get an email asking me (experienced A320 F/O) to apply.

Surely if it was that great they would have hundreds of suitable candidates knocking at the door and wouldn't need to chase up people who applied years ago ?

From what I gather, even a low cost in a civilised country is a better bet ?

Hey, I've been here a number of years and I even got a letter to apply a couple of weeks ago. Wait, maybe I'm really not here and this is just a bad dream.

Hi IXNAT,

How cool is that? It means you get to do double the hours for half the pay! :{

For those thinking of applying to EK, please think carefully!!