777 and 117
 

Things are not going well on the 777 fleet. With the implementation of 117 from May the credit hours for the FO's are down by 15% and thats not all. No commander upgrades from the 777 FO this year. Only from 330 and 747. Right now there 330 FO's on the T7 with more than 50 in training. Soon enough less hours and less money are coming. Rumors for a drafted letter from local 777 captains and FO's ,asking for a meeting with the management . Captains mostly complaining for rest issues. No one made any case studying on the 117 before applying it to the roster.

The Far117 implementation with no study is causing a lot of problem specially out of Riyadh regarding taking fo from A330 for command that sad as they less senior than t777 but couple of months ago the T777 fo where making over 55000 riyal so what happened

Credit hours down because of short layovers ?

Actually it was studied a couple of years ago, hence the delay in implementing it.

Credit hours
 

Mutt credit hours have nothing to do with lay overs. Credit hours are the deadheading hours plus days on STBY that you dont fly plus 10% of your actual block hours. Of cource per diem out of lay over are going down since you have less pairings

Mutt I don't agree with you on the Far 117 if there was a study years ago it should have been done better any way you are wrong too with the layover credit read the GOM

Yikes, I'm having a bad day.... sorry I guess we have too many GOM's/OM's.

As for the 117 study, it was done under VP HA, so thats a few years ago.

Recruitment
 

Gud day fellow aviators,

Can some one please confirm if the recruitment for FO is put on hold or they still recruiting. I have applied like 4 months back and my status still says active. Nothing changed on status since then.

Can some please kind enough to help me get through this.

Thanks a ton

No FO recruitment till the end of the year.

Thanks flyboy for the heads up.

Happy landing.

Hello,

The airline gives a no objection certificate or experience certificate for the period of employment with them?
If any one has an idea please PM me regarding it

Welcome. That's because they have too many FOs now and most of us are still not done with our PhDs. About 10 aircrafts coming in this year though. Expect them to hire around the end of the year or next.

Some of the good destinations are going to 787 fleet. Any idea what are the new destinations they are looking at for 777s?

Anyone know if they are hiring 787 left seat direct entry ?

Arrrh... just a few more airframes than that Flyboy SG:
10 B773's; 10 A330R's and 4 A320neo's by end of year.
So you can see why they're not happy at the failure rates and no-shows by the ex-MAS et all.

Top or drinks: They did initially but doubtful now, as that fleet crew is static now plus internal upgrades to cover, i would guess.

Happy landings:ok:

The 773 is doubtful that are gonna be 10 by the end of the year. But it's 100% that 4 772 will be faced out in December or earlier plus another 2 until February.So the real gain will be 4 frames but keep in mind that further 772 will go for sunbathing somewhere inside OEJN.So there will be no real gain in B777 frames. Furthermore Expect a delay in the 320 NEOS as Airbus is facing huge delays with the engines of the aircraft

The hours of significant overtime were never going to continue at the level of a year or 2 ago. This was a period of rapid 777 fleet growth. The growth over the next 5 years will be the A330, before returning to the 777 again when/if the X is delivered.

Alloha, A320's are not NEO; they are CEO(Current Engine Option). No delay expected.

Kungfu Panda , in the last 10-12 months T777 FO's were flying around the average hours (78) . But now they are 15% less . The cancellation of the command upgrade is the main reason.With 40-50 people going for command the hours would still be around the average 78 (keep in mind that lots of people still in training).

@guiones Thanks for the clarification .Still they need lots of skippers on the 320 .They asked from some people to give away their holidays in May because they were short