Saudia
 

Any pprune members working there? Any inside info on hiring policy, minimums, equipment etc? I am a CRJ F/O a breath from being furloughed. Just weighing different options.

I did, thank you. Their website seems pretty vague, I thought maybe someone had some specific up-to-date info.

SV.
 

Why not make a quick telephone call to the local H.R. Office in Houston ???

I did that and when I click on "more details" absolutely nothing happens. Additionally, on the website it only says that they're hiring for the 742 and the E190, while I keep hearing from various sources that they're hiring into other aircraft as well. Just wondering if anyone knew more exactly what's going on over there.

Well, whaddaya know?! I'll give it a shot, perhaps they'll realize I'm hardly a longevity risk.

Saudi Employment
 

Hi all , I work for Saudia and almost retiring. Fom my personal point of view of a crewmember I CAN TELL YOU THIS: It's a petty good airline compared to others in he Middle East, but beware of misleading information ( I'm avoiding the word lie) presented by the company in its website and to hiring firms. One example of this is: If you apply for a certain advertised equipment, dont be surprised to end up on a different one, to some people this was advantageous to others unacceptable, but thats how they do it there. Seems like HR people dont speak to operations people. (Anyway they provide the training with no bond)

I guess they are hiring across the board all equipment and all postions since the latest CEO has started a policy of encouraging getting rid of high paid senior crew by not automatically renewing contracts ( as was before) and by encouraging early retirement.

Presently looking for 747-100, 747-300, 747-400 ,MD-11, 777, EJ-170 and very soon the new A-320 is arriving which will require a considerable number of crew ( Saudi Arabian Airlines orders $300M in engines | Aviation) , and a bit sooner the B-787 dreamliner is scheduled to join the fleet (Saudia in talks over Dreamliner - Transportation - ArabianBusiness.com). The present Airbus and MD-90 are being quickly gounded and disposed of.

Although the company is being partially privatized, its still under government control which alleviates some of the global financial problems and gives some sort of job security, but nevertheless you will still suffer the Middle East style management .

JAA or FAA?
 

Hi Krypton,

Do you know if they accept applications from JAA licensed pilots rated on those types? I know most ME airlines will accept either FAA or JAA but the earlier posting stated FAA specifically.

By the way, the "More details" button doesn't work for me either.

Thanks

Mutt,

if an expat join as an FO is there a chance for an upgrade at SV???

Thanks
EP

A couple of questions...

What's the net monthly pay like for Captains? The pay listed above doesn't seem very impressive compared to other Middle East airlines so I assume there is more to it? Or is the pay for wide-bodies much higher?

Also, what are the requirements for DEC on the 747 (either 300 or 400)?

Is anyone working there happy for me to PM them?

Thanks

SV
 

Krypton - the last time I was in Jeddah was nine days ago, and I already miss it.... I hope you're enjoying the winter weather there. Let me know if you want some recommendations about some excellent seafood restaurants.

flyboyike - Generally speaking, SV is a nice airline to fly for. It's not perfect, but I know a bunch of SV pilots and they always have words of praise about the airline's flight operations department.

I myself am a citizen of Jeddah. I'm currently studying Aviation Management at the University of North Dakota in Grand Forks, ND. This major at UND includes flight training, which will help me to get recruited as a pilot in SV.

Why would I want to become a pilot in SV?

All things considered, there's more than one reason:

- They have a great safety record.
- All of the SV pilots that I know have had good things to say about SV's flight operations department.
- They have a nice salary.
- They have nice employee benefits.
- They are currently modernizing the fleet. This includes gradually phasing out the MD-90's, 747-100B's and 747-300's, and it also includes introducing new aircraft which are the A320's, A330-300's and 787-9's.
- They're based in my hometown, which is Jeddah.

These are the minimum requirements that they have for pilot recruitment that I know of. I don't know if they apply to foreigners, but they do apply to Saudi citizens:

- 320 hours total flight time, including 270 hours on single-engine aircraft and 50 hours on multi-engine aircraft.
- An FAA private pilot certificate, as well as an FAA commercial pilot certificate with an instrument rating and a multi-engine rating.
- A high school certificate.
- An FAA first class medical certificate.
- English language proficiency.
- Successfully passing the recruitment interview.

As for Jeddah, well I've been to several cities in the middle east, and I could say with confidence that Jeddah is one of the best cities in this part of the world. The cost of living here, including the price of renting an apartment and the prices of groceries, are cheaper than some cities in the gulf like Dubai. It's not a perfect city, but its pros more than make up for its cons. There's an abundant choice of many different types of restaurants, including Indonesian, Filipino, Lebanese, and some of the finest seafood in this world. The city is very much used to foreigners, because there are immigrants from several countries. Also, if you're into scuba diving, then Jeddah is located on the eastern coast of the Red Sea, which has some of the finest dive sites in the world. I always do scuba diving in Jeddah with friends; to me, as an activity, it's one of the highlights of the city.

If you have any further inquiries about SV or Jeddah, then let me know.

flight attendent
 

hello mutt!
can you pl help with is,,,do you if saudia is recruiting in this moment flights attendents cause i did not see any offers in theire website
thank you very much!!

i am working as fo B743 in PIA about 4000 hrs on type, any expat fo B747 classic working with saudia, rqst working condtions in saudia, and do u fly B743 also and how long they plan to use B747 classics as the contract is only on B747 classics, if saudia gets rid of classics then ur jobless, cuz i am planning to apply for this job thanks

Mutt,

When you say that the 744 is only recruited for internally do you mean Saudi nationals only or anyone already in the company i.e. existing 743 pilots?

Also, do you have any idea when the eight new A330s are due to start arriving?

Hi there,

I just check on the careers section the terms and conditions for A320 Captain, but no mention on the hourly rate pay. Is it the base pay divided by 70 hours?
Anyone caring to explain?

Many thanks in advance
Safe landings :ok:

Thanks a lot mutt! That's what I tought!

Safe landings :ok:

Did anyone manage to get any details on the A320 CA contract. The link on the website does not appear to work. I sent them an e-mail about it, but still no joy.

SM

It doesn't work with Firefox, only IE, don't know why....

Saudi Arabian Airlines - Career

Benefits:
Salary SR (Saudi Riyals) :

Aircraft Category
Monthly Base Pay (in SR) Monthly Base Pay (in USD)



Minimum Maximum Minimum Maximum
A 22615 36282 6030 9675
B 22615 36282 6030 9675
C 24710 39645 6589 10572
D 27000 43320 7200 11552
1 USD = 3.75 SR

Guaranteed Monthly Flying Hours:
- A & B Category (G2, G3, G4, Falcon, Hawker, E-170 and MD-90): 65 Hours
- C Category (A-320 and A-321): 70 Hours
- D Category (B-747 Classic, B-744, MD-11, B-777, A-330 and B-787): 75 Hours

12.3 months salary each year (no income tax is presently applied in Saudi Arabia).

A one time payment of 20% of a month base pay on initial joining.

SR600 per month transportation allowance.

3% annual salary increase, until the maximum of the salary grade is reached.

10% of the hourly rate will be paid for each actual block hours as productivity allowance.

10% of the hourly rate for actual hours flown between 1700-0300 GMT as night flying allowance.

On Call Premium after legal rest at layover station, 15 minutes credit for every 6 hours of layover.

Overtime payment will be paid at the Hourly rate after the minimum guaranteed has been reached for the first 15 hours and at the rate of 1.5 Per Hour thereafter.

3 years contract, renewable.

Personal Accident Insurance (1.5 Year Basic Salary) up to a maximum of 802,000 SR.

Loss of License Insurance (1 Year Basic Salary) up to a maximum of 540,000 SR. (For American National a fixed sum of 168,000 SR).

Layover Expense from block-out to block-in at the layover station: - Domestic : 20 SR per hour, International : 25 SR per hour.

One Additional Crew Member (ACM) ticket on Saudia network each month

Length of Service Award, paid on successfully completing employment:-
From 1 to 5 years a half month’s base pay for each year of completed service, 75% of the total sum amount will be paid if the years of service is less than 10 years and the full amount will be paid if the years of service exceeds 10 years.

Free cargo shipment of up to 400Kgs for an employee on married status and 200 Kgs on single status, on initial joining and final departure.

An annual bonus of one month’s base pay, paid pro rata in year.

Free Medical Cover for employee and eligible dependents (Except dental, cosmetic, infertility treatment, audio & visual aids).

School Education subsidy for up to 3 children up to grade 9 (in & out of Saudi Arabia).

Travel benefits for employee and eligible dependents on Saudia and other airlines.

One positive space ticket for employee, and up to 3 eligible dependants, to domicile each year

1 service charge sub load ticket, for employee and up to 3 eligible dependants on Saudia each year

10 official holidays per year, as per periodic declarations

30 calendar day’s paid annual vacation , increased by 5 days for every 10 years of continues employment (40 days maximum).

Free furnished, air-conditioned, accommodation including utilities, Gas, Water, Electricity and Maintenance, (excluding telephone charges) for married and single status employees.

Free Saudia Sports Club membership for employee and dependents.







Conditions:
A current ATP license on a fixed wing transport aircraft issued by the official Regulatory Agency of an ICAO member country with an endorsed license for English proficiency.

Pass Saudi Arabian General Authorities for Civil Aviation (GACA) Knowledge test.

Age: 30 – 55 inclusive.(At the Age of 53 or greater, an ICAO ATP with a type rating for the equipment hired).

Height: 65 - 76 Inches (165 - 193 cm).

Satisfactory completion of High School(college graduate is prefered).

Speak, write, read & understand English language fluently.

Current ICAO Member Country First Class medical certificate.

Pass Saudia pre employment medical check that shall include but not limited to :
- Drug Screening.
- Psychometric Evaluation.

Pass Saudia Technical Knowledge, Aptitude, Interview and Simulator Check Ride.

Applicant must be current within a maximum of six month away from flying.

Provide Security background check authenticated by the local authority of nationality origin prior to work visa endorsement.

Required Flying Hours:


Aircraft Category
Minimum Hours Condition as PIC Exception
A 3500 2000 on Group A or 1000 on Group B None
B 4500 3000 on Group A or 2000 on Group B 1.5 Hours of Each A Group could be credited to substitute for any short fall of Group B Hours
C 5000 3000 on Group B or 2000 on Group C 1.5 Hours of Each B Group could be credited to substitute for any short fall of Group C Hours
D 5500 3500 on Group C or 2500 on Group D 2 Hours of Each C Group could be credited to substitute for any short fall of Group D Hours
3 Hours of Each B Group could be credited to substitute for any short fall of Group D Hours

Note: all credited hours mentioned in the exception column are PIC hours


All hired captains shall have recent experience on glass cockpit A/C unless hired for non-glass cockpit.

Is Saudia Recruiting For A-320???
 

Is Saudia currently recruiting foreign pilots for A-320?
Thanks

THANKS .........Mutt

Can some one please guide me through the recruitment process that SV generally follows. I mean what's typical of the process and what should one prepare for in terms of studies? Any specific pointers to specific subjects/ topics. Thanks in advance

@ Mutt,
Atlasjet will start operating 2 A330s for them shortly. You mention 12 A330s on order and starting 2009.
Is plan A to have KK to operate them all, or could this be 2 different operations ??
Thanks !

Could anyone tell me which destinations are served by the 744's based in Jeddah?

Thanks

:hmm:I applied to work there 4 months ago. One day I get an email asking if I could fly down to Cairo later that same evening in order to interview the following morning! Incredible. I then called them and asked what was up with the scheduling. To be honest, their recruitment is highly unorganized and is probably a reflection of the airline.
I asked what aircraft for which they were recruiting and they said the Boeing 747. I said which 747? They said the Boeing 747. I said which 747. The guy honestly said, "the larger one." I was in disbelief. So after 20 minutes of playing, "guess which 747 model I am trying to describe" I concluded they were recruiting for the Classic. He said they were recruiting for a 3 year contract on the Classic. I told him that I read they were going to phase out the classic in a year and when that happened which aircraft would I transfer to or would my contract be voided. Simple and honest questions that needed to be asked. He then replied that I needed to buy my own hotel room in Cairo that same evening if I wanted to fly down there for the interview. Talk about switching the subject.hahaha.
Anyhow, I got a serious bad vibe from this outfit and declined. Maybe it is a good deal, but there lack of HR really made me question what the hell was going on.

Metro301/Mutt

Do either of you know whether or not SV will consider B742/3 Classic guys, current and recent on type, at age 56?

Noticed in the T&Cs Metro posted that over 53, Captains must have ICAO license and type. It didn't specifically state an age limit.

They've had my application since January ... no response at all from Bilal.

Hi Mutt-
I received a text msg from Belal K. about interviewing on 23may or 20june. I was wondering if you had any gouge or if you could send me in the right direction. What's the tech stuff and is it TMAT questions? If I make it to the sim, what kind of sim and the standard profile. All help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks

I don't know about the sim, I was typed on the equipment already and current, so it was waived. I went through the process over 3 years ago. The knowledge test was based on questions from the FAA ATP exam. I think around 50 or so, all multiple choice... All I did was read the AIM/FAR before hand. You could also try reading through one of the FAA ATP study guides. Gleim, I think puts one out.

During the interview itself, there were 5 guys interviewing me, a mix of pilots and HR. They asked a couple of questions about Jepp approach plates, nothing tricky. There were a few scenario questions, what would you do if........ The majority of the interview consisted of them trying to get to know me, work history, experience. They asked what I knew of the Kingdom and the airline. How I thought my family would adjust, etc.

It was all very relaxed, all of the interviewers came across as good guys.

They gave ample opportunity to ask any questions that I had.

Thanks Metro,
Is the schedule commutable or do you have to live there? Thanks everyone for your help

To STL? Sorry, not a chance to commute each month.

6 blocked days off in a row each month.

You would end up dying of fatigue trying to go back and forth each month. 1 day travel there and 2 days to get back to Saudi, only leaves you 3 days to recoup in the USA.

Dunno...... With all the changes taking place maybe not. It isn't in the T&C's anymore and it used to be listed.

They are building them into reserve lines. Hard lines are easy enough to swap a trip or 2 and build a block of days off. Mind you, that may change with the new system.

f/e
 

i understand they are hiring f/e now.
true ? any age limit for guys who are current

Hey Muttster...
 

How are things? Still doing to commute? I kinda miss the old days.

Does anyone have any more info on the written assessment? Is it just standard ATP type questions? The email I got about the interview said it has aircraft systems questions as well as performance problems? On what a/c??? Thanks for any insight anyone has.

Anyone else going to be in Cairo for the May 23rd round of interviews? If so, shoot me a pm...

Bad-Andy

Do they give equal rights to female pilots.
In fact, do they hire female pilots?

Do they let women drive cars?
Do they let women vote?

Do they intend to move in to the 21st Century anytime soon?

1. See answer #2
2. No.
3. No.
4. No. It is a Monarchy.
5. Define soon.

Sorry to interrupt, but...the Houston office has closed. Anyone know if there is a contact, either in the US, or in Jeddah, for a American ex-pat to renew a Retired ID Card? Phone number? Thanx in advance, Sam

Would also be interested in what is coming. Furloughed and right now going to be there June 20. If anyone acquires knowledge from the May interviews and wants to share, please PM.

Its simple, if you have created an account in their career website Saudi Arabian Airlines - Career , you can send a message to the administrator and he will answer you for any question

Saudia May interviews
 

Has anyone interviewed in Cairo already this month?
If yes, could you explain how it went?
I will be there for the 28th interviews. Not much time to study...
thanks

flying for saudia airlines
 

I am thinking of applying to Saudia Airlines for a first officer position. I am currently flying the crj900 out of Atlanta Georgia. I will be bringing over with me a wife and two kids. I as just wondering how are westeners welcomed over in Jeddah. Any information would be helpful. Take care.

Do you have at least 2000hrs on the CRJ900?

Been here 3+ years, never had a real problem.

This should help, it is all current:

http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/360187-sv-city.html
http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/36...ut-saudia.html

Does anyone know what the cargo(747-2/300) roster is like and how many hours do you normally fly during a month. Any info would be appreciated.