ETIHAD AIRWAYS New salary
 

Any news about the new salary in EY:confused:

In the long run it could be better to have higher basic pay and less dependance on variable allowance. Gratuity, salary during leave and bonuses are paid based on basic salary alone. On an average of 12 months, the take home could be better than the current pay arrangement, though bigger quantum of increase would be much2 more desirable.

Gold Falcon:

You are exactly right and that is why they are not doing it. Same at EK.

Emirates is parading around a so called 18% pay raise but in reality it is substantially less than that. A 6% increase on the basic scales and for the first time an introduction of flight pay (45 dhs/hr Captain, 35 dhs/hr F/O) to avoid added costs to fund the provident fund, annual bonus, etc.

Just another beancounter way of reducing the T & C's of the aircrew......better than nothing but certainly not as good as a true 18% increase in the scales.

:confused:

Well having sat in the pilots meeting today I understood that a pay rise and other improvements were coming and the final figures would be announced shortly!....I was quite impressed with what I heard, the guy is aware of where the problems are...now we have had the words lets see the action.

I think that just maybe this guy can put it all together...lets give it a chance

Apperently it was also mentioned that after the last deliveries there is going to be no expansion till 2010.

I think only slight change to the overall salary, not more than 1000 dhs

It would seem that our buddies up the road in GF think that they have a divine right to slip into EY....was any promise made?...or just wishful thinking!

The ex GT guys are already in AUH but then does that make them anymore employable than outsiders?....

It would seem to be a political hot potatoe which no one wishes to address...if there is no hope then shouldnt these guys be told so they can get on with planning their career...:confused:

EY vs AA
 

Air Arabia, in its bid to be at par with other carriers in the Gulf area and perhaps sensing stiff competition with the likes of EK and EY in recruiting A320 rated pilots to its fold, recently introduced major improvements in the compensation package.

Now AA pilots are receiving almost equal with their counterparts in EY, which is quite uncanny since the latter is a major airline that prides itself as being the national carrier with such hotel-like, luxurious cabins. No wonder EY jocks are leaving in droves.

Low cost versus a major carrier? Figure the difference, if there is any at all...

On average 1.6 pilots leave a month and that is a drove??

Just where do you get this camel crap information from?

That figure does not include those fired for being drunk on duty etc.

Just where do you get this camel crap information from?

Whereelse but PPRUNE, dude! While this is a rumor network, there is somehow an iota of truth behind all the gossips here. It would be safe to surmise that the postings here only reflect the true sentiments of the disgruntled many and the happy few. Sorry dude, but that is just how I see it.

If you look back into the Etihad posts you'll find 2 such disgruntled people who seemed to have endless amounts of time to negatively comment about Etihad. Only problem was it was discovered neither of them did or had ever worked for Etihad.

To summise watch out for those who may have failed their Etihad assessment and yes the happy few are indeed too busy to usually comment here whilst we are out with our families making the best of our lives here and actually enjoying it.

Okay, dude. You seem quite happy being with EY, and so I rest my case. I only made such comparisons between the pay of a low cost and a major and never meant to deride anybody from your lot. So cheers, buddy!

Well cameltoe ,the comparison your making in not far from true you know, we at Jazeera just got a significant pay rise, approx 2500$ for captains and approx 2000$ for first officers, the difference between low cost and legacy carriers is now minimal if you compare the overall package.

What’s amazing is that a small company like Jazeera has the tendency to react to the pilot population once they try to pass info to the management, while other big companies hardly ever listen nevertheless react, no wonder low-cost companies flourish faster then legacy companies.

MML

Pot calling the kettle black
 

Firblogs And I especially liked the bit where the guy said "I will not tolerate bullying at work"

Firblogs no offence but "wake up!!!":ugh: :{ :rolleyes: :mad:

Spot on, Maxmedlo. Sans all the glamour and prestige, more often than not LCC pilots end up getting more than their counterparts flying in the majors. Low cost or major, the problems will always be there. But in these times of uncertainties, what matters most is who ends up with a bigger and fatter account at the end of the day.

I think a lot of guys are more demoralized..lotsa people are expecting a better pay package. Already heard of some friends looking elsewhere in the east. Commanders are in better positions coz they are more "marketable" while the F/o s will probably have to wait it out.:sad: EY seems to have started with a wrong setup and a charter mentality with a very big appetite to be the best...unfortunately the idea doesn't mix too well..
Its surprising that the upper management doesn't seem to worried too much about crewing the 10 330/340 arriving this year. Seems like more **** to come in the near future when they are short of crew and take in low hours DEC and pisses of more F/Os and then it'll truly be a big big mess!:sad:

Not Enough !!!!
 

Already some of the Bus and Boeing guys are looking at Jet in India.
If you think EY does not have enough pilots, just you wait when those guys leave. JH made alot of promises but the proof is in the pudding.:ugh:

Camelbird,

how can you say not enough, we don't even know what the new package is. The only hard fact we have is the introduction of a layover allowance as per 1st of february, and the promise to have more news by the end of the month.

I can only agree that we are not enough pilots, but give the guys a chance. He will maybe get it right, or we will all start looking for jobs elsewhere, as we don't need to go far away in the region to get a better pay.

Maybe...we wil see. Inshalah

Zick

Still Here !
 

Zick,

No where in the statement did i say that the new package was not enough, only not enough pilots!!!
The only thing i said about JH is that he made promises and we will be watching to see if he delivers.
Give JH a chance, sure!! That's why we're still here :ugh:

Hiring
 

What about hiring? I see the website no longer is showing pilot vacancies. Are they catching up on training the new hires and will they be advertising soon or is it a website glitch?

The recruitment guys seem to be chasing this imaginary pool of type rated pilots!

WAKE UP boys its not out there!
You are missing out on some very good experienced (non type rated) people:ugh:

Accept he fact that your training requirments will change/costs increase and get decent people in........Pleeeeze

Oh and make sure they speak decent eeeeengleeesh:{

Dear Cantilever,

If you had updated yourself with the Etihad website you would have noticed that Etihad has been taking non rated guys for the last 3 months now. Already first group expected to join in april. So i suggest you read up a bit.

Yea, they do call people with only "baby-bus" experience...I was one of them...

/CP

Flight Mag.
 

Hello Boys,

According to Flight Intl. Mag. they need Drivers(pilots) with any type thats above 60000 kgs so I think they are moving forward in this process.

I wish them LUCK .


Happy Ldgs :ok:

Sorry Chaps but nontype rated guys are currently being told by the bods in recruitment that they have stopped taking non type rated!!..an ex colleague 744 driver has just spoken with them!
What it says on the website and what they actually do is totally unrelated!.....:rolleyes:

Happy Pilot perhaps you need to check up with what info is actually being put out to potential new joiners!
If it is wrong then someone in the portakabin needs to sort it out. There are an awful lot of well qualified nontyped pilots out there with the experience and background required...as I said WAKE UP!

Baby Bus is not really non type rated, it gets them half qualified pilots and results in slightly cheaper training costs...the easy option.

May be so. But if you are a "highly qualified" pilot, then I would think that there are "better" options out there... Guess it all depends on what you have at the mom, what you want for your furture, if you have family or not, if you wanna be in the sand etc etc....Pension? Upgrade? Living in a hotel until some sort of flat/house is sorted out? Nights away from your fam while they are sitting in AD?

I was/am concidering the deal so not saying that its "bad", just that there are lots of thinking to do before making up your mind...

Good luck!
/CP

Trust Them!!!
 

Heads Up lads,

I think that if you have some faith in the guys up in the office something good will eventually come up.....

I say If EK got where it got now think what about the richest emirate of them all , it might not be a rival for EK as the money ends at the same place but Believe that the guys in the office are trying very hard.

as a matter of fact I believe that they already interviewing non rated guys I mean not even the baby bus........

Have faith
&
Keep the blue side Up:ok:

I heard that the new pilot package has been sitting for the last 2 weeks on JH desk, and this comes from RH.

Does anyone had a better info on why nothing is coming out of it? It is also a fact that only around 45 pilots out of the 190 needed this year are in the pipeline, and the company is not et sure that everbody is going to show up.

Any news on the new package are highly welcomed.

Zick

Alot of the pilots interviewed in AUH also had interviews at EK and QR, and will probably go to the highest bidder. That means they won't be going to EY:cool:

Just to update you guys that the website has been with the 60 ton limit for nearly 3 months now. They have taken quite a few non rated pilots and now they have enough. They are only taking non rated first officers now and no more DEC. Some A320 guys have been called but in limited numbers and mostly 330/340 guys. Anyway they still mainly upgrade and thus the limited number of DEC and i think this is a good thing to follow especially for the first officers in the company.

Etihad finally signed the new package today. Details to follow in the next couple of days...Lets see
At least its signed now.:)

SEC3.. don´t think Q.R. is a higher bidder than EY...:=
Cheers.
loc.

Hi Happy Pilot,

can u be more specific on how the new package will look like, or u just don't know? It's difficultto be patient, as we've been waiting for a couple of month. It is good news anyway:ok:

Sorry about this question..
 

excuse me for this "old" question but I didn't find any response on the website... is anyone can tell me what's about the assessment in Etihades airways?...technical , english, profile, psychometric ,group exercice and simulator test because I'm invated for an interview next month to DXB...
Thanks for any help

Sorry my friend, but I think you just failed their english test. Etihades is in hell, Etihad is in Abu Dhabi, and Emirates is in DXB.

Brush up with your english, I heard it's tough...

Hi guys,

actually a good question, I was also looking around for some information about the "new" pilot selection, but I couldn't find anything...can anyone help me???

greetings

well all i know is they are moving most of the variable allowance to be now the new basic salary. So now whether you fly or take leave your income is quite stable. Then there is an hourly pay and a meal allowance too. Should be pretty good. Also heard something about the housing allowance. So lets see but i am happy here anyway so anything more that comes my way is great. :D

thanks happy pilot

so when the good news will be offcial

Wow, that is really something to look forward to. When I did my interview last Jan the management guys informed us about this plan of improving the package and I am glad that they are indeed true to their words. I am joining EY in a couple of months, so hope to fly with you soon, guys!

Just one last question though to those EY jocks with kids in AUH. Which school are you sending your kids to? I have two kids (9 and 6 yo) and I want nothing but the best education for them. I know that registration for the next schoolyear is now ongoing. Any PMs will be much appreciated. Thanks!

New Package?
 

Hi,

the new package has been signed 4 days ago and still no anouncement...
What a f... is going on in this company? Another FO resigned yesterday on the Bus fleet. The company is desperatly calling guys to go and fly on days off, and cancelling sim's as short of pilots.

Maybe a little announcement would make thinks easier, first to retain the ones already here, and maybe to attract more guys. Just a hint...:ugh: :ugh: :ugh:

Zick