So what? I can spend my money on what ever I want.

Exactly! That's what I meant. Etihad pilot's has enough money to spent, if he chose to. They deserve better package, but the deal now is definitely not the worst.

You missed out the Audi RS4 and the Z4 :}:}

Package certainly not the worst in the middle east now but is lacking two major items. A pension scheme (or provident fund) and loss of licence insurance. These two things should have been addressed in the recent package review and are a serious oversight by the new management team. Any Etihad pilots know what is this new 'rent to buy' scheme that's boasted about on the company website?

Gold Falcon

I could definately afford those cars too if I took out a huge loan from the ever giving banks here in the UAE! :eek: I see cabin crew in EK that drive them.

I can bet your bottom dollar that not one of them actually "owns" their luxury car and they have many years ahead of them to pay them off.

Yet i suppose the little extra that management are giving will allow them to install a hands free kit. Yippee!!!

What you thing about EY packge
 

Hi all can i have your veiw of EY new packge:)

blueground

What the :mad: do you think we have been talking about in the last five pages of this thread!

Csek

For my own benefit and after your posts regarding the new Etihad pay package can I confirm that you work for Emirates and have never worked for Etihad?

Thanks.

Jetlagged

Yes indeed I am up the road, but I used to be where you are now. I know exactly where the EY boys are coming from. I remember what it was like being trained in a porta cabin.

The only difference is I got fed up with all the promises made and went for the better deal. Which is what I would wish for any pilot, especially with a family here in the UAE.

I got fed up of paying from my own pocket, and only just making ends meet month by month. I was always scared that if something were to happen to me, my wife and kids would be screwed. Lets face it, we have the experience, let them pay for it.

I was one of the stupid ones who actually believed in EY and thought it would get better with time, but after shifting up the road recently, I can now see what a raw deal it is in EY.

I got fed up with the promises, the lack of money, the lack of loss of licence protection, the lack of provident fund, the lack of transport, the lack of accomodation, the lack of communication, the lack of crew and most of all got sick of the incompetent HR department. Need i say more!

Please understand Jetlagged, that im not trying to rub this in anyones face, but I am only showing you what is on offer at other major carriers. Trust me I learnt the hard way.

I still have allot of good friends over at EY,and i tell you, the deck crew at EY are a great bunch of guys, the best i have ever had the pleasure of working with. It was sad to leave them. Trust me when I tell you, they too will soon be going. Which will only make your lives even more of a hell with monthly hours and shortage of crew. I thought moral was bad when I left, but it has obviously hit its lowest now after this "so called new package"

good luck to you buddy, I wish you all the best

This is just brilliant
 

blueground


Quote:
"Hi all can i have your veiw of EY new packge "


What the :mad: do you think we have been talking about in the last five pages of this thread!

Dear csek
This is just brilliant answer:D :D :D :D :ok:. Very good luck to you.


that is why I been surfing Pprune website for the last 6 years. It is really funny.

On another subject, some one complained about people reporting and posting every little things on this website i.e IFS for EY aircraft over Saudi. Well.. that is what Pprune is for, Please do not complain, you always have a choice.

Howdy csek. Looks good on you man, happy flying!:ok: After the new package came out, I dusted off my cv and updated my logbook, who knows what will come up tomorrow!:)

Interesting reading

"Rule of the Harlots":
 

:hmm:
Dear Herbsnspices,

What is the Rough creedless bedous & rough ozzies from the bush & "Rule of the Harlots" have in common???

please do tell, this is getting very interesting.

Below is the rule of the harlots definition;
"Rule of the Harlots":
Sergius III (A.D. 904-911). Said to have had a mistress, Marozia. She, her mother Theodora, and her sister, "filled the Papal chair with their paramours and bastard sons, and turned the Papal Palace into a den of robbers." Called in history The Rule of the Harlots (904-963).:E

Herbie
 

Welcome back Herbie, you never cease to amaze me with your cultural insights. :D

Culture? I'm here to make money. I will adapt to any culture I have to.

missed the point?
 

I believe Falcon said they are here to make money but failed to mention that it is at the expense of every hard working individual at EY. The more money that is saved in the operations budget the more is available to skim off the top. Don't forget how the British Empire was created by exploiting the nations of conquest and reeping the benefits....The Australians are just the ones that caught and never shared the benefits with anyone else,then sent away to hone their skills and come back twice as crafty....Good Luck to all down there....but don't forget your roots, nothing grows in sand except scorpions.

I know this is off topic. But does EY take any RJ drivers? Their web site says 60000KG or more.

I'm curious to know what is the bond upon joining EY.

Not sure i fancy spending many years in the sand, but a nice wide body rating will no doubt open a few more doors.

Also does EY do mixed fleet flying on the 'bus?

Cheers

(Sorry its a bit off topic)

what is it ?
tell us

Well using the new system to calculate what the March roster would have paid me shows that I would lose 400dhms...thats with no leave or block days off!...a regular average roster.

You can read what you like into the propoganda being put out by the portakabin but that is what it would mean to me in hard cash.
The company view of looking longterm over the year is BS....if you lose an average of 400/month you do not make that up with the higher basic they have put in place.

So please guys stop trying to flog us this load of BS....its not the great deal you would have us believe, its a move in the right direction but still falls well short of other carriers.....dont kid us or yourselves its anything else! :=

Calculations.... mmmmh...
 

Well Guys,

after reading through all this I did the calculation myself and was damn surprised! In 2006 I did earn ( including housing allowance ) 358.989 AED, and under the new scheme ( including layover allowance ) I would have gotten 452.695 AED. :D That's an increase of 26%, if my calculation is right! 2007 will not look like this, I know. Under the old scheme sitting at home and waiting for a license didn't earn you much credit. But, as pointed out from Management as well, the new pay system is supposed to do just that, detach our pay from factors like leave, sick days and waiting for a license. By the way, I flew 538 Hours in the past 12 month... in EK they dream of that!!!

I would rather see some improvement in rostering. One request per month is pretty slim adding that swapping flights is almost impossible and an average 5 days AVBL are 5 days not having a roster!

Overall I'm happy with the company, though I don't know how long I can cope living in the UAE...

Happy Landings everyone....

gotagoodid...
Since when is layover allowance included in your pay? It is to re-imburse you for money you have spent to eat while away. It is something every other airline in the world pays and something we should have received from day one. DO NOT INCLUDE LAY OVER ALOWANCE IN YOUR PAY CALCULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!
And you can't include your housing allowance either. The guys in company provided don't get that. And again, that is not pay, that is to provide you with a place to live.

All allowances are money, therefore it depands on each person's lifestyle if he's able to utilize part of the allowance to contribute into his savings.

funny
 

hi i was told most ey pilots drive super cars and date only models in auh?
is that true if so i wanna leave my ek job n join you guys.

note : you guys are more funny than jay leno and bush .........

for those who have left ey dont be jealous of the faithful ones in ey .
loyalty pays.

Judging by the new pay package, loyalty means sh*t at EY. From the most senior captains all the way to the captains who have recently joined, all captains have been stiffed by the new management. Only those pilots who work in the office got a noticeable raise in pay:bored:

ey expantion
 

hay dudes any body knows how many planes will EY take delivery for 07 and 08 , and how many pilots are the looking to hire,

and how many are on standby shift or reserve.

thanks

;) must be everyone at EY flying there butts off , they don't have time to respond.

help us out.:ugh:

i think they are getting 10 buses 2007 and thats all...how many hirings?..probably as many as they can have! ...and yeah all are flying their butts out :( cheers!!

Just curious.... how longs the bond at EY and does it reduce over time?

Also does the company practise Mixed Fleet Flying?

Cheers

Hey, How much do you pay for a 3 room house, in a nice area in Abu Dhabi ?

Clarification.
 

From The Etihad Website.


"Starting salary of AED 24500 or US$ 6655 per month for First officers and an annual salary increment of AED 500 per month."

Does that mean you get an extra AED 500 per month? I'm guessing it's a typo.

Yes, which means, in your second year with Etihad your salary shall be
AED 25,000 per month and in the third year AED 25,500 and so on!

Happy landings :ok:

Updated EY package
 

Heard there were a few amendments to the vacation allotment. Any truth to the rumor?

No there isn't.