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In the long run it could be better to have higher basic pay and less dependance on variable allowance. Gratuity, salary during leave and bonuses are paid based on basic salary alone. On an average of 12 months, the take home could be better than the current pay arrangement, though bigger quantum of increase would be much2 more desirable.
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You are exactly right and that is why they are not doing it. Same at EK.
Emirates is parading around a so called 18% pay raise but in reality it is substantially less than that. A 6% increase on the basic scales and for the first time an introduction of flight pay (45 dhs/hr Captain, 35 dhs/hr F/O) to avoid added costs to fund the provident fund, annual bonus, etc.
Just another beancounter way of reducing the T & C's of the aircrew......better than nothing but certainly not as good as a true 18% increase in the scales.
You are exactly right and that is why they are not doing it. Same at EK.
Emirates is parading around a so called 18% pay raise but in reality it is substantially less than that. A 6% increase on the basic scales and for the first time an introduction of flight pay (45 dhs/hr Captain, 35 dhs/hr F/O) to avoid added costs to fund the provident fund, annual bonus, etc.
Just another beancounter way of reducing the T & C's of the aircrew......better than nothing but certainly not as good as a true 18% increase in the scales.
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Well having sat in the pilots meeting today I understood that a pay rise and other improvements were coming and the final figures would be announced shortly!....I was quite impressed with what I heard, the guy is aware of where the problems are...now we have had the words lets see the action.
I think that just maybe this guy can put it all together...lets give it a chance
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It would seem that our buddies up the road in GF think that they have a divine right to slip into EY....was any promise made?...or just wishful thinking!
The ex GT guys are already in AUH but then does that make them anymore employable than outsiders?....
It would seem to be a political hot potatoe which no one wishes to address...if there is no hope then shouldnt these guys be told so they can get on with planning their career...
The ex GT guys are already in AUH but then does that make them anymore employable than outsiders?....
It would seem to be a political hot potatoe which no one wishes to address...if there is no hope then shouldnt these guys be told so they can get on with planning their career...
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EY vs AA
Air Arabia, in its bid to be at par with other carriers in the Gulf area and perhaps sensing stiff competition with the likes of EK and EY in recruiting A320 rated pilots to its fold, recently introduced major improvements in the compensation package.
Now AA pilots are receiving almost equal with their counterparts in EY, which is quite uncanny since the latter is a major airline that prides itself as being the national carrier with such hotel-like, luxurious cabins. No wonder EY jocks are leaving in droves.
Low cost versus a major carrier? Figure the difference, if there is any at all...
Now AA pilots are receiving almost equal with their counterparts in EY, which is quite uncanny since the latter is a major airline that prides itself as being the national carrier with such hotel-like, luxurious cabins. No wonder EY jocks are leaving in droves.
Low cost versus a major carrier? Figure the difference, if there is any at all...
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No wonder EY jocks are leaving in droves.
Just where do you get this camel crap information from?
That figure does not include those fired for being drunk on duty etc.
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Just where do you get this camel crap information from?
Whereelse but PPRUNE, dude! While this is a rumor network, there is somehow an iota of truth behind all the gossips here. It would be safe to surmise that the postings here only reflect the true sentiments of the disgruntled many and the happy few. Sorry dude, but that is just how I see it.
Whereelse but PPRUNE, dude! While this is a rumor network, there is somehow an iota of truth behind all the gossips here. It would be safe to surmise that the postings here only reflect the true sentiments of the disgruntled many and the happy few. Sorry dude, but that is just how I see it.
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If you look back into the Etihad posts you'll find 2 such disgruntled people who seemed to have endless amounts of time to negatively comment about Etihad. Only problem was it was discovered neither of them did or had ever worked for Etihad.
To summise watch out for those who may have failed their Etihad assessment and yes the happy few are indeed too busy to usually comment here whilst we are out with our families making the best of our lives here and actually enjoying it.
To summise watch out for those who may have failed their Etihad assessment and yes the happy few are indeed too busy to usually comment here whilst we are out with our families making the best of our lives here and actually enjoying it.
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Okay, dude. You seem quite happy being with EY, and so I rest my case. I only made such comparisons between the pay of a low cost and a major and never meant to deride anybody from your lot. So cheers, buddy!
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Well cameltoe ,the comparison your making in not far from true you know, we at Jazeera just got a significant pay rise, approx 2500$ for captains and approx 2000$ for first officers, the difference between low cost and legacy carriers is now minimal if you compare the overall package.
What’s amazing is that a small company like Jazeera has the tendency to react to the pilot population once they try to pass info to the management, while other big companies hardly ever listen nevertheless react, no wonder low-cost companies flourish faster then legacy companies.
MML
What’s amazing is that a small company like Jazeera has the tendency to react to the pilot population once they try to pass info to the management, while other big companies hardly ever listen nevertheless react, no wonder low-cost companies flourish faster then legacy companies.
MML
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Pot calling the kettle black
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And I especially liked the bit where the guy said "I will not tolerate bullying at work"
Firblogs no offence but "wake up!!!"
I was quite impressed with what I heard, the guy is aware of where the problems are...now we have had the words lets see the action. I think that just maybe this guy can put it all together...lets give it a chance
Firblogs no offence but "wake up!!!"
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Spot on, Maxmedlo. Sans all the glamour and prestige, more often than not LCC pilots end up getting more than their counterparts flying in the majors. Low cost or major, the problems will always be there. But in these times of uncertainties, what matters most is who ends up with a bigger and fatter account at the end of the day.
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I think a lot of guys are more demoralized..lotsa people are expecting a better pay package. Already heard of some friends looking elsewhere in the east. Commanders are in better positions coz they are more "marketable" while the F/o s will probably have to wait it out.
EY seems to have started with a wrong setup and a charter mentality with a very big appetite to be the best...unfortunately the idea doesn't mix too well..
Its surprising that the upper management doesn't seem to worried too much about crewing the 10 330/340 arriving this year. Seems like more shit to come in the near future when they are short of crew and take in low hours DEC and pisses of more F/Os and then it'll truly be a big big mess!
EY seems to have started with a wrong setup and a charter mentality with a very big appetite to be the best...unfortunately the idea doesn't mix too well..Its surprising that the upper management doesn't seem to worried too much about crewing the 10 330/340 arriving this year. Seems like more shit to come in the near future when they are short of crew and take in low hours DEC and pisses of more F/Os and then it'll truly be a big big mess!
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Not Enough !!!!
Already some of the Bus and Boeing guys are looking at Jet in India.
If you think EY does not have enough pilots, just you wait when those guys leave. JH made alot of promises but the proof is in the pudding.
If you think EY does not have enough pilots, just you wait when those guys leave. JH made alot of promises but the proof is in the pudding.
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Camelbird,
how can you say not enough, we don't even know what the new package is. The only hard fact we have is the introduction of a layover allowance as per 1st of february, and the promise to have more news by the end of the month.
I can only agree that we are not enough pilots, but give the guys a chance. He will maybe get it right, or we will all start looking for jobs elsewhere, as we don't need to go far away in the region to get a better pay.
Maybe...we wil see. Inshalah
Zick
how can you say not enough, we don't even know what the new package is. The only hard fact we have is the introduction of a layover allowance as per 1st of february, and the promise to have more news by the end of the month.
I can only agree that we are not enough pilots, but give the guys a chance. He will maybe get it right, or we will all start looking for jobs elsewhere, as we don't need to go far away in the region to get a better pay.
Maybe...we wil see. Inshalah
Zick
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Still Here !
Zick,
No where in the statement did i say that the new package was not enough, only not enough pilots!!!
The only thing i said about JH is that he made promises and we will be watching to see if he delivers.
Give JH a chance, sure!! That's why we're still here
No where in the statement did i say that the new package was not enough, only not enough pilots!!!
The only thing i said about JH is that he made promises and we will be watching to see if he delivers.
Give JH a chance, sure!! That's why we're still here
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Hiring
What about hiring? I see the website no longer is showing pilot vacancies. Are they catching up on training the new hires and will they be advertising soon or is it a website glitch?
