Emirates and the A380 (threads merged)
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the mmf thing should not be a big deal,you could add 333,342 to 332,343,345,346 and thats just the wide body side,but do you really think the 346 are coming?even another delay on the 380 of 3-6moths does not give a good reason to ramp up for the 346s.just my take on it, would love to see the 346s but just dont see it happening
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Have to agree with fatbus..
Would love to see the A346, would also make sense on some of the new routes that are rumoured, but indeed, can't see it coming.
BTW, I'm actually interested in the REAL numbers once the 777 starts flying our 345 routes, how much cheaper will they really be? On top of that, why don't we start flying the routes the 345 was intended for, like the real ULH, eg. DXB-AKL direct, or even direct to South America or US West Coast. The 777-200LR would have the range, but what about planning a route without to many alternates for ETOPS? No probs for the A345.
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Would love to see the A346, would also make sense on some of the new routes that are rumoured, but indeed, can't see it coming.
BTW, I'm actually interested in the REAL numbers once the 777 starts flying our 345 routes, how much cheaper will they really be? On top of that, why don't we start flying the routes the 345 was intended for, like the real ULH, eg. DXB-AKL direct, or even direct to South America or US West Coast. The 777-200LR would have the range, but what about planning a route without to many alternates for ETOPS? No probs for the A345.
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EADS confirmed the delay today - see main PPrune forum.
EK sending a delegation for talks. Wonder what the compromise will be?
Well guys, looks like more fun in the sandpit. If 346s do arrive, guess What-goes-up and Scooter can run the CCQ course for the rest of us cerebrally challenged proto-pilots.
EK sending a delegation for talks. Wonder what the compromise will be?
Well guys, looks like more fun in the sandpit. If 346s do arrive, guess What-goes-up and Scooter can run the CCQ course for the rest of us cerebrally challenged proto-pilots.
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B748 pax?
So was it merely just good timing for Boeing that they were giving presentations on the B747-8 this week to EK management over at EK Engineering?
Heard it was both the freighter AND the passenger ("Interconintental", I think they refer to it as) that was presented in further detail.
Bet Boeing is offering a great deal on them to give the program a real mega boost... just imagine the effect on the A380 if EK cancelled (or more likely) reduced the A380 order and picked up a bunch of pax B748's to go alongside the freighters announced...
would have to check timeframes though, so my thoughts might be a bit array...
Heard it was both the freighter AND the passenger ("Interconintental", I think they refer to it as) that was presented in further detail.
Bet Boeing is offering a great deal on them to give the program a real mega boost... just imagine the effect on the A380 if EK cancelled (or more likely) reduced the A380 order and picked up a bunch of pax B748's to go alongside the freighters announced...
would have to check timeframes though, so my thoughts might be a bit array...
It must have been an interesting presentation. I wonder if EK management were asking the Boing guys about the significant delays and quality issues affecting 777er deliveries?? 
Seems that quality has dropped as they are now knocking these out at a whopping rate. What has anyone else heard??
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Seems that quality has dropped as they are now knocking these out at a whopping rate. What has anyone else heard??EGGW
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Emirates Airlines May Cancel Order for 45 Airbus A380
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060921/emira...rbus.html?.v=3
Emirates Airlines May Cancel Order for 45 Airbus A380 Jumbo Jets Since Delivery May Be Delayed
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) -- Emirates airlines said Thursday that its order of 45 Airbus A380 jumbo jets was "up in the air," after reports that deliveries of the plane may be delayed.
Spokeswoman Valerie Tan said officials at the Dubai-based airline were discussing whether to go forward with the order.
"Things are up in the air right now. It's hard for us to say. We had such a big order," Tan said by telephone Thursday.
European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co. said Thursday that it expects further delays in the troubled Airbus A380 superjumbo program.
The company did not provide details of the cost or timeframe of the delays, except to say that it expects to complete a review of the program in four weeks.
Airbus has previously announced delays to the high-profile program, but has come under strong pressure in recent days after reports suggested further holdups were about to be revealed.
French newspapers reported Wednesday that some inaugural customers may face at least another six-month delay. Wiring problems were a main cause in slowing down the program.
Analysts have warned that more hitches could further shake current and future customers' confidence in the project. Airbus so far has booked 159 orders for the A380 but needs some 300 to break even on the project.
In June, Airbus shocked airlines by revealing its second six-month delay due to production problems. At that time, it said it expected to deliver to launch customer Singapore Airlines Ltd. by the end of 2006. Shares in Airbus parent company EADS fell 2.4 percent to 22.33 euros in Paris trading
Emirates Airlines May Cancel Order for 45 Airbus A380 Jumbo Jets Since Delivery May Be Delayed
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) -- Emirates airlines said Thursday that its order of 45 Airbus A380 jumbo jets was "up in the air," after reports that deliveries of the plane may be delayed.
Spokeswoman Valerie Tan said officials at the Dubai-based airline were discussing whether to go forward with the order.
"Things are up in the air right now. It's hard for us to say. We had such a big order," Tan said by telephone Thursday.
European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co. said Thursday that it expects further delays in the troubled Airbus A380 superjumbo program.
The company did not provide details of the cost or timeframe of the delays, except to say that it expects to complete a review of the program in four weeks.
Airbus has previously announced delays to the high-profile program, but has come under strong pressure in recent days after reports suggested further holdups were about to be revealed.
French newspapers reported Wednesday that some inaugural customers may face at least another six-month delay. Wiring problems were a main cause in slowing down the program.
Analysts have warned that more hitches could further shake current and future customers' confidence in the project. Airbus so far has booked 159 orders for the A380 but needs some 300 to break even on the project.
In June, Airbus shocked airlines by revealing its second six-month delay due to production problems. At that time, it said it expected to deliver to launch customer Singapore Airlines Ltd. by the end of 2006. Shares in Airbus parent company EADS fell 2.4 percent to 22.33 euros in Paris trading
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Dude,
Your a little late in that story, as it has been out for about a week now and already been refuted by Emirates.
Kind of difficult to xcl such a large order, and still get A/C to replace those in any kind of expeditous time frame.
Good for rumor control though!!!!
Your a little late in that story, as it has been out for about a week now and already been refuted by Emirates.
Kind of difficult to xcl such a large order, and still get A/C to replace those in any kind of expeditous time frame.
Good for rumor control though!!!!
Wondering what may fill in for the delayed EK A380's
Any idea's to what may be on the cards for Emirates in regard to plugging the A380 gap. I cannot see T.C. sitting around and letting the all important airline growth stall. Compensation may be paid and cheaper airbuses delivered in the future but what are the options now. Line pilots say they A340-600's are in play again but how many of these are available. Won't Etihad,Qantas and SQ be demanding them as well. If I was Etihad management, I would be buying and parking them in the desert just to catch up with EK market share!
Seriously, though I understand 777 orders are full and with Airbus planning large layoff's what production line will have any excess?
Maybe old 744's or A340-300's ?
Seriously, though I understand 777 orders are full and with Airbus planning large layoff's what production line will have any excess?
Maybe old 744's or A340-300's ?
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Got to go with the 340-6 because they were originally ordered by EK, so are probably still being built. EK would have to get priority simply because they have ordered the most 380s and AB have the most to loose if EK crack the ****s with them. I think most departments will be breathing a secret sigh of relief at the delay though.
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'Word is' that there are 6 A340-600 production slots up for grabs in the next couple of months from cancelled SAA orders that EK are looking at!
Also a line engineer mentioned the other day that they (engineering) have been told to 'gear up' for their arrival.
As always though in this game, I'll wait to see them on the line with my own eyes before I believe it.
Also a line engineer mentioned the other day that they (engineering) have been told to 'gear up' for their arrival.
As always though in this game, I'll wait to see them on the line with my own eyes before I believe it.
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Seriously, though I understand 777 orders are full and with Airbus planning large layoff's what production line will have any excess?
Maybe old 744's or A340-300's ?[/quote]
As we don't have the so-called "big picture," no one knows what was in the minds of the higher brass when they chose this A380.
They are, certainly, saving a lot of fuel and making big bucks with the Boeings and they should continue to acquire them. Perhaps, IMHO, they should just cancel this piece of junk and go for more ERs and the 748, (just three years away). The A380 might arrive, eventually; at what cost for the company no one would know. TC and co. cannot be right all the time
Maybe old 744's or A340-300's ?[/quote]
As we don't have the so-called "big picture," no one knows what was in the minds of the higher brass when they chose this A380.
They are, certainly, saving a lot of fuel and making big bucks with the Boeings and they should continue to acquire them. Perhaps, IMHO, they should just cancel this piece of junk and go for more ERs and the 748, (just three years away). The A380 might arrive, eventually; at what cost for the company no one would know. TC and co. cannot be right all the time
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From a business standpoint, EK needs Airbus and Airbus needs EK. With only one viable manufacturer (Boeing), no deals, no extras, no goodies, no incentives. Think of the deal EK is going to end up with if they continue with the 380 order. The airport is being built for 380s. Plus we are talking a 18-24 month delay over the 20 year lifetime of the aircraft. But who knows, maybe Boeing will give a good deal on the 747-8. See, play one manufacturer against the other.
A strong rumour that a firm order for 25 A380s will remain and the other 20 converted to options.
Possible 20 (pax) 748s to be introduced at the same time.
Would be able to expand the fleet quicker with 2 separate types.
Possible 20 (pax) 748s to be introduced at the same time.
Would be able to expand the fleet quicker with 2 separate types.
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Makes sense. Never put all your eggs in one basket...Boeing would obviously be happy to jump in and give replace A380 orders with B748...In any case EK will come out again smelling of roses..and money.
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In general I agree with you but you also need to look at the delivery schedule in total. While the first A380's will probably still be here before the B747-800 is available, taking some 74's later might help them catch up with their expansion plans. I have no idea if this is how they are thinking, just adding another possible line of reasoning to an interesting topic. I do believe that the truly salient factors affecting possible delays and/or cancellations are probably not being discussed in the press right now.