Emirates and the A380 (threads merged)
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They need to increase capacity soon 
so I think they'll grab 
the 346's ASAP to fill the gap (at least partially) until the 380's
come and probably cancel a part of the big order in favour of some boeing product (747-8 or more 777). 
Keep it coming guys I bet TC is reading these posts to come out with a solution ....
so I think they'll grab the 346's ASAP to fill the gap (at least partially) until the 380's come and probably cancel a part of the big order in favour of some boeing product (747-8 or more 777). Keep it coming guys I bet TC is reading these posts to come out with a solution ....
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EK (to my knowledge - apart from the ex-SIA A340s) hasn't taken on other airlines' "hand me downs" and I don't think they'll do so now. I think they'll probably go with A340-600s and no doubt Airbus will make this very sweet for them (not much of a choice).
Does anyone see Airbus having a dog's chance selling the A350 to EK now (particularly with rumours that the 350 itself might be scrapped!) What is the status of this requirement; should we expect to see the 787-10 launch before year end? Think of the deal Boeing would give EK to launch the 747-8I and the 787-10 simultaneously!
Does anyone see Airbus having a dog's chance selling the A350 to EK now (particularly with rumours that the 350 itself might be scrapped!) What is the status of this requirement; should we expect to see the 787-10 launch before year end? Think of the deal Boeing would give EK to launch the 747-8I and the 787-10 simultaneously!
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This IS a rumour network... so I'll repeat what one of the senior engineers assured me he read in some online trade magazine only yesterday.
He says EK has just ordered 20 747-80s.
Now whether that's a "Chinese whisper" that's grown in the telling from the earlier order of 8 freighter 747-80s or an additional order remains to be seen.
Whichever brand of whale eventually appears on Dubai's ever more crowded tarmac, everyone can rest assured that the canny horse traders at Box 686 will screw every last drop of blood from the stone in compensation and penalties from Aerboos.
And if EK really feel the need for something big and four engined in the meantime, I'd be willing to bet Boeing would fall over themselves to dredge up a few -400's (and crews?) from the Arizona desert at the VERY right price while EK waited for the 747-80 to be delivered.
But I'd be even more willing to bet that Airbus would be willing to offer a considerably sweeter deal to EK to ensure that that will never happen.
He says EK has just ordered 20 747-80s.
Now whether that's a "Chinese whisper" that's grown in the telling from the earlier order of 8 freighter 747-80s or an additional order remains to be seen.
Whichever brand of whale eventually appears on Dubai's ever more crowded tarmac, everyone can rest assured that the canny horse traders at Box 686 will screw every last drop of blood from the stone in compensation and penalties from Aerboos.
And if EK really feel the need for something big and four engined in the meantime, I'd be willing to bet Boeing would fall over themselves to dredge up a few -400's (and crews?) from the Arizona desert at the VERY right price while EK waited for the 747-80 to be delivered.
But I'd be even more willing to bet that Airbus would be willing to offer a considerably sweeter deal to EK to ensure that that will never happen.
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As expected the local press is following these posts... 7 days this morning reports almost word by word the news of the 6 a346 as written in our forum attributing it to a not better identified 'Commercial Pilot, Dubai' ... 
Of course the article is not signed (as always) so we'll never know who is responsible of this high piece of journalism..
Of course the article is not signed (as always) so we'll never know who is responsible of this high piece of journalism..
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Can't see them going for older 747s 200,300, or 400 series. They are just to old and thirsty in comparison to the 777, 340-600 or 747-800. Availabillity of 777 is a problem and the 747-800 has not been built yet and who knows what problems Boeing may have with their build program.
EK obviously still want the big bus (they did order 45 afterall) so it's a matter of extracting compensation and replacement aircraft out of AB.
If the 340-600s are still available EK will have to go for them, minimal training and minimal spares and engineering equipment will be required etc
EK obviously still want the big bus (they did order 45 afterall) so it's a matter of extracting compensation and replacement aircraft out of AB.
If the 340-600s are still available EK will have to go for them, minimal training and minimal spares and engineering equipment will be required etc
As expected the local press is following these posts... 7 days this morning reports almost word by word the news of the 6 a346 as written in our forum attributing it to a not better identified 'Commercial Pilot, Dubai' ... Of course the article is not signed (as always) so we'll never know who is responsible of this high piece of journalism..
Of course the article is not signed (as always) so we'll never know who is responsible of this high piece of journalism..I agree, if the A346's are available it would be the best option. As to compensation I have heard some rumours that Dubai may be seriously attempting to get some share of the manufactoring or assembly of new airbus types as part of their newly launched, big budget aerospace venture.
The option of cancelling half the orders and taking 777's or 748's when they come on line also has credit. One reason being the new terminal will be largely under utilised with A330,s parked at A380 gates.
Whatever happens you can rest assured there will be plenty of dispensations offered by the DGCA.
If Airbus is forced into large compensation claims and giving aircraft away then why stay in business.
If the 350 is scrapped then the future of Airbus is grim , they may actally declare bankrupt and stop manufacturing...
If the 350 is scrapped then the future of Airbus is grim , they may actally declare bankrupt and stop manufacturing...
It's all a conspiracy...Airbus don't want to be seen to lose face by letting EK cancel their A346 orders.... Nahh...but you never know..
" All will become clear " one way or another...
May we continue to live in interesting times..
Nahh...but you never know.." All will become clear " one way or another...
May we continue to live in interesting times..
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What is the A340-600 like in service with regard to economics,comfort and reliability ? I am told that with the hold full of cargo the passengers are just a bonus. Can anybody confirm this ?
Why would anybody want Avro 748's ??
Sorry mate just a joke.......
Why would anybody want Avro 748's ??
Sorry mate just a joke.......
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I see that 7 Days has finally decided to use pprune as a source of unimpeachable fact, they are directly quoting off this thread today!
"That's not going to happen as quickly as hoped but a commercial pilot (!) in Dubai said "There are six unfilled Airbus A340-600 production slots available over the next couple of months..."
"An engineer at [Dubai] airport mentioned that his department had been told to 'gear up' for the arrival of these planes,"
It's now in the papers so the rumour about the rumour must be true.
TOD
"That's not going to happen as quickly as hoped but a commercial pilot (!) in Dubai said "There are six unfilled Airbus A340-600 production slots available over the next couple of months..."
"An engineer at [Dubai] airport mentioned that his department had been told to 'gear up' for the arrival of these planes,"
It's now in the papers so the rumour about the rumour must be true.
TOD
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At the end of the day look at the at the big picture... we will still be doing 90-100 hrs a month..... does it really make a difference what type of metal tube we fly. Life stlye means more so keep up the sick days or the over time which ever floats your boat..
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There future is not uncertain at all. The FOs are FOs until they become Captains and that will take longer now. What is uncertain about that? If they do not wish to stay because they are having to wait longer, then they can leave. This is fact.
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Obviously EK pilot is one of the morons in the left that we have to endure from time to time.
It may be an advantage to the AB guys as there isn't going to be the availablity of crew for the 346....guys already hitting the 900hrs mark and off the roster for a month.
It may be an advantage to the AB guys as there isn't going to be the availablity of crew for the 346....guys already hitting the 900hrs mark and off the roster for a month.
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Hang on mate! Leave me out of this, that was posted by ekpilot, not EK Pilot!
But before you go and jump down his throat, he's actually telling the truth, but rather tactlessly. There were no guarentees of command here, just a perception that things would move swiftly along and you'd all get your turn. With the unforeseen delays of the A380, can EK be held accountable in this case? If so, what alternative career plans can they give the disadvantaged? Maybe you should use this opportunity to start communicating with the people that can make a difference to your lives, because sure as hell ekpilot can't.
But before you go and jump down his throat, he's actually telling the truth, but rather tactlessly. There were no guarentees of command here, just a perception that things would move swiftly along and you'd all get your turn. With the unforeseen delays of the A380, can EK be held accountable in this case? If so, what alternative career plans can they give the disadvantaged? Maybe you should use this opportunity to start communicating with the people that can make a difference to your lives, because sure as hell ekpilot can't.
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My humblest apologies ol son.. EK Pilot
I for one have never expected a command earlier or even at the 3 year mark, it was never said that I would get one at 3 years when I started, only that I must complete 3years before being eligible. So wait I will, and if the delay creates a few opportunities then that will be great for those that are on the cusp of 3 years.
But.... stupid statements like what "ekpilot" makes are either a wind up or just pure ignorance....or is that arrogance... get those two confused with some of the lefties sometime.
I for one have never expected a command earlier or even at the 3 year mark, it was never said that I would get one at 3 years when I started, only that I must complete 3years before being eligible. So wait I will, and if the delay creates a few opportunities then that will be great for those that are on the cusp of 3 years.
But.... stupid statements like what "ekpilot" makes are either a wind up or just pure ignorance....or is that arrogance... get those two confused with some of the lefties sometime.
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Right attitude. As previously mentioned ad nauseum there is no mention of 3 years to command anywhere, especially in your contract (right or wrong). The fact is the company is going to do it the cheapest way for them, whether we like it or not - (mostly not) and a group are going to be p.....d off by it. For those who have been around a little longer will remember that a few years ago the airbus fleet was expanding and the boeing fleet static. The boeing guys were waiting longer for their commands than their airbus colleagues. Bottom line is just wait your turn and it will happen. If you are going to go screaming at the office staff and demanding commands etc it will not happen. Show your maturity and professionalism. The topic of DEC's, well...... None of us agree with the principle - it is WRONG. However, be angry with the company, not the individual. None of us know their personal circumstances and if you were in their shoes, you would also take the job. I also can't believe that some of you are naive enough to rant on about DEC's but when you leave emirates one day will demand to join a new company as an F/O because you don't want to disadvantage anyone in your new company who may have been waiting for a command? To all of you who are due for command I truly hope it happens soon.
Keep the blue side up fellas........................
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Right attitude. As previously mentioned ad nauseum there is no mention of 3 years to command anywhere, especially in your contract (right or wrong). The fact is the company is going to do it the cheapest way for them, whether we like it or not - (mostly not) and a group are going to be p.....d off by it. For those who have been around a little longer will remember that a few years ago the airbus fleet was expanding and the boeing fleet static. The boeing guys were waiting longer for their commands than their airbus colleagues. Bottom line is just wait your turn and it will happen. If you are going to go screaming at the office staff and demanding commands etc it will not happen. Show your maturity and professionalism. The topic of DEC's, well...... None of us agree with the principle - it is WRONG. However, be angry with the company, not the individual. None of us know their personal circumstances and if you were in their shoes, you would also take the job. I also can't believe that some of you are naive enough to rant on about DEC's but when you leave emirates one day will demand to join a new company as an F/O because you don't want to disadvantage anyone in your new company who may have been waiting for a command? To all of you who are due for command I truly hope it happens soon.
Keep the blue side up fellas........................
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