Getting a start in the middle east
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Getting a start in the middle east
Just wondering if you guys could kindly give me some general info about the expat employers in the Middle East, specificaly what are their experience requirements for First Officers? I presume most of them require type rated applicants? Do any of them hire those with no jet experience but willing to self sponsor a type rating?
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You'll need to be typed and generally you'll need experience on type. It's not that the companies have such high minimum requirements; it's the fact that there are many very experienced and qualified guys out there who are also keen on positions available.
Without a shadow of doubt; if you're not jet qualified and you're an expat, there is no obvious way to seek employment with a jet operator. The same can not however be said of some of the low-cost operators in Europe. Get a job there, get the experience and then think about the sandpit.
Good luck & best wishes.
Without a shadow of doubt; if you're not jet qualified and you're an expat, there is no obvious way to seek employment with a jet operator. The same can not however be said of some of the low-cost operators in Europe. Get a job there, get the experience and then think about the sandpit.
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What if you are an expat already living in the UAE and do not need allowances for accommodation, travel home, schools, health insurance etc. (i.e. save the company some money)
Is it a matter of making as many contacts within the industry as possible or just waiting until the market changes and the experience levels come down? And I refer to both turbo-prop and jet operators.
Is it a matter of making as many contacts within the industry as possible or just waiting until the market changes and the experience levels come down? And I refer to both turbo-prop and jet operators.
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To be brutally frank and only IMHO it doesn't help a dot, haselled, whether you are in the UAE or elsewhere.
Contacts will never harm you - make as many as you can but nothing will ever take the place of experience & qualifications. It's a vicious circle, I know; how are you going to get that expertience if they won't give you the job?
You can dream, but my sincere advice is that if you don't increase your package (of experience & quals) it will remain just that.
My five cents worth.
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Contacts will never harm you - make as many as you can but nothing will ever take the place of experience & qualifications. It's a vicious circle, I know; how are you going to get that expertience if they won't give you the job?
You can dream, but my sincere advice is that if you don't increase your package (of experience & quals) it will remain just that.
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A few companys like DHL and Falcon Express who both operate turboprops require a type rating but no real time on type. There are some jet operators around that will give you a job with no jet time also, Netjets, Excujet, Flex...
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We all no were you are at he mo as we have all been there but making comments like that is selling yourelf short and everyone else in the industry.
You try and find one expat in the middle east that doesn't need allowances for accommodation, travel home, schools, health insurance etc. (i.e. save the company some money) it is not because we love money it is because living in the midle east is expensive espeacially if one has kids and the cost of living here far outweighs that of home and that includes the personal side.
The avaition scene used to be a proud profession but people like yourself are bringing it down. Most major companies will not look at such people offering such services however alot of second and third level operators will and this is were the rot is starting. I have friends flying for one such company in the Mid East Falcon Express, we have all heard about it on this forum, and I will use this as an example although my knowleadge is slim, Falcon Express has now started on this slippery road treating pilots like they are slaves, now this is a compnay which has consistantly expected the extra mile from it's pilots, it is also a company which makes a lot of money due to it's location, it is also I company like all others that can't operate or exist without pilots. Now when everyone one else in the company espaecially management are getting pay increases you must ask what is happening to the pilots. Well apparantly the new hires are on such a low wage it is a joke, You will earn more as a loader for you national airline back home and you ask why, it is because there are people out there who will sell them selves as slaves and I'm sorry you are selling yourself short and everyone else short to come and although not all companies listen to plights such as yours there a those that do due to there greed and it is these companies who are aloud to remain operating that are destroying this once proud industry.
Although it is nice saying that you want to save the company some money but that is something you do when you are working for the comapany not before.
Now we all know were you are at the mo as I said before we have all been there and some of us will be there again, I really hope you will soon find your feet and that first job, it does take time and patiance. I just hope when you do that you aren't paying them. It is pretty hard to support a family, pay a mortage or even drink a beer when you are being paid neg dollars per hour.
We all no were you are at he mo as we have all been there but making comments like that is selling yourelf short and everyone else in the industry.
You try and find one expat in the middle east that doesn't need allowances for accommodation, travel home, schools, health insurance etc. (i.e. save the company some money) it is not because we love money it is because living in the midle east is expensive espeacially if one has kids and the cost of living here far outweighs that of home and that includes the personal side.
The avaition scene used to be a proud profession but people like yourself are bringing it down. Most major companies will not look at such people offering such services however alot of second and third level operators will and this is were the rot is starting. I have friends flying for one such company in the Mid East Falcon Express, we have all heard about it on this forum, and I will use this as an example although my knowleadge is slim, Falcon Express has now started on this slippery road treating pilots like they are slaves, now this is a compnay which has consistantly expected the extra mile from it's pilots, it is also a company which makes a lot of money due to it's location, it is also I company like all others that can't operate or exist without pilots. Now when everyone one else in the company espaecially management are getting pay increases you must ask what is happening to the pilots. Well apparantly the new hires are on such a low wage it is a joke, You will earn more as a loader for you national airline back home and you ask why, it is because there are people out there who will sell them selves as slaves and I'm sorry you are selling yourself short and everyone else short to come and although not all companies listen to plights such as yours there a those that do due to there greed and it is these companies who are aloud to remain operating that are destroying this once proud industry.
Although it is nice saying that you want to save the company some money but that is something you do when you are working for the comapany not before.
Now we all know were you are at the mo as I said before we have all been there and some of us will be there again, I really hope you will soon find your feet and that first job, it does take time and patiance. I just hope when you do that you aren't paying them. It is pretty hard to support a family, pay a mortage or even drink a beer when you are being paid neg dollars per hour.
