Qatar Airways...Do Not Believe The Hype
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: najma
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Reality check for MT
MT,
I read with interest your last few postings.
First, it was not me who said operating to KTM more than 7 times a week is dangerous but it was our own flt ops dept.
Secondly, your are correct about past commercial GMs planning to operate more than 7 flts. But I was told by someone who atteneded a particular meeting in commerical, how the current GM commercial disregarded the safety concerns of GM flt ops.
Thirdly, GM commercial is mohammed saleh fakhri and not fathi as you have mentioned.
I work for Qr and feel that we must continue to challenge and discuss such issues for the better of QR and the people of Qatar as a whole. Sadly QR has become the subject of jokes in the industry as a result of high staff turnover, poor management structure and very very low morale and staff loyalty.
I was at Qr towers yesterday and was not surpised not hear that another manager in commercial resigned as a result of the new GM. The morale within the whole airline is doing, moreso in commercial, cabin crew and flt ops.
I think u work for AAB, hence all the defensive emails. But please try to be more realistic and also listen to the people who has to fly to KTM (like us) and do a very stressful and demanding approach safely.
Have you flown a A320 or an A300 to KTM? Have you been in the cockpit on approach to KTM? I don't think so...
People of Qatar deserve a better managed airline and a management to be proud of, after all QR is the national carrier.
cheers
I read with interest your last few postings.
First, it was not me who said operating to KTM more than 7 times a week is dangerous but it was our own flt ops dept.
Secondly, your are correct about past commercial GMs planning to operate more than 7 flts. But I was told by someone who atteneded a particular meeting in commerical, how the current GM commercial disregarded the safety concerns of GM flt ops.
Thirdly, GM commercial is mohammed saleh fakhri and not fathi as you have mentioned.
I work for Qr and feel that we must continue to challenge and discuss such issues for the better of QR and the people of Qatar as a whole. Sadly QR has become the subject of jokes in the industry as a result of high staff turnover, poor management structure and very very low morale and staff loyalty.
I was at Qr towers yesterday and was not surpised not hear that another manager in commercial resigned as a result of the new GM. The morale within the whole airline is doing, moreso in commercial, cabin crew and flt ops.
I think u work for AAB, hence all the defensive emails. But please try to be more realistic and also listen to the people who has to fly to KTM (like us) and do a very stressful and demanding approach safely.
Have you flown a A320 or an A300 to KTM? Have you been in the cockpit on approach to KTM? I don't think so...
People of Qatar deserve a better managed airline and a management to be proud of, after all QR is the national carrier.
cheers
Last edited by PPRuNe Towers; 10th Oct 2002 at 23:22.
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Doha, Qatar
Posts: 119
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sorry for the mistake in the name of Fathi/Fakhri as I always mix these names up since we have a Fathi working for us, and second of all I don't work for QR or AAB and have never worked with QR in the past neither under AAB or HAT.
No I haven't as I am not a pilot and never will pursue that proffesion.
What I am trying to do is provide the people here in PPRuNe with a balanced view of QR. Some people like you take one side of the story and I take another. Also with constant rantings on low morale I am in contact with employees working as Pilots as well as those in QR Tower and from what they say it is the opposite. I guess everything is in the eye of the beholder. If you yourself suffer from low morale then you will probably have perception that others within the company are suffering from low morale too.
Last point, you say that you work for QR. If you are that dissatisfied with company why don't you do yourself a favour, pack your bags and leave the company.
Are you Qatari? I as a Qatari am very proud of my airline and am very proud of the achievements of the management
Lastly, on the subject of safety in operating flights to KTM. If it is that big of a problem why haven't any regulatory authorities stepped in? I think CC gave a great example in the old Kai Tak airport which had a lot of aircraft movements but had a very challenging approach. You even had B747-400's and fully laden B747F take of and land there.
Have you flown a A320 or an A300 to KTM? Have you been in the cockpit on approach to KTM? I don't think so...
What I am trying to do is provide the people here in PPRuNe with a balanced view of QR. Some people like you take one side of the story and I take another. Also with constant rantings on low morale I am in contact with employees working as Pilots as well as those in QR Tower and from what they say it is the opposite. I guess everything is in the eye of the beholder. If you yourself suffer from low morale then you will probably have perception that others within the company are suffering from low morale too.
Last point, you say that you work for QR. If you are that dissatisfied with company why don't you do yourself a favour, pack your bags and leave the company.
People of Qatar deserve a better managed airline and a management to be proud of, after all QR is the national carrier.
Lastly, on the subject of safety in operating flights to KTM. If it is that big of a problem why haven't any regulatory authorities stepped in? I think CC gave a great example in the old Kai Tak airport which had a lot of aircraft movements but had a very challenging approach. You even had B747-400's and fully laden B747F take of and land there.
Guest
Posts: n/a
As usual, been reading with interest.
I recently attended an interview in UK and one of the candidates was a CSD for QR. She joined QR as I left.
She confirmed many things that myself, Gulf Crew, Aviator Girl and co have been trying to get across...It is a wonderful place with some great people but the poisoned dwarf is mentally unstable.
I recall a flight pre departure in Doha when AAB stormed on board demanding to know from ME why the aircraft next to us was tech! His screaming alerted the then GMFO who was travelling with us to DXB...he was trying, in vain , to get him to calm down. This was in full view of pax! Professional...Nah!
MT and A300, we are not slating the wirline, we just wish someone would get rid of Hannibal and let the staff get on with the hard work they are never thanked for!
Rgards
Taba
I recently attended an interview in UK and one of the candidates was a CSD for QR. She joined QR as I left.
She confirmed many things that myself, Gulf Crew, Aviator Girl and co have been trying to get across...It is a wonderful place with some great people but the poisoned dwarf is mentally unstable.
I recall a flight pre departure in Doha when AAB stormed on board demanding to know from ME why the aircraft next to us was tech! His screaming alerted the then GMFO who was travelling with us to DXB...he was trying, in vain , to get him to calm down. This was in full view of pax! Professional...Nah!
MT and A300, we are not slating the wirline, we just wish someone would get rid of Hannibal and let the staff get on with the hard work they are never thanked for!
Rgards
Taba
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: najma
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
For the benefit of MT
MT,
Would like to put things in perspctive here as you are going on a tangent!
Although I work for QR, I don't let the silly management bother me, so no need for me to pack my bags and besides that is my problem not yours!
I am rather surprised that you say staff are happy and morale is good, remind all of us again, who are these staff? AAB's a...s lickers I guess!
The truth is over 85% of the staff are unhappy and demoralised, whether you like it or not! If they are happy why such a huge staff turnover (crew as well as ground and H/O staff)
Since you are not a pilot, you will never ever understand the stress a pilot goes through on approach, leave alone KTM. So no point discussing this point with you any further.
Yes, I am a Qatari and I am ashamed of the management style, structure at QR. You don't work, so you cannot comment as to how happy you are with the mgmt.
All QR has is shiny new aircraft and a very good inflight service. BUT THIS GOOD INFLIGHT SERVICE IS NOT BECAUSE OF QR MANAGEMENTS VISION, LEADERSHIP OR STYLE BUT PURLEY BECAUSE OF DEDICATED GROUND AND CABIN CREW WHO WORKS VERY HARD INSPITE OF THE NORMAL ILL TREATMENT.
TAKE AWAY CABIN CREW'S HARD WORK.... ONLY SHINY NEW PLANES ON THE RAMP.
So if you are not working for QR you don't have a damn clue what is going on inside qr.
have a nice day
Would like to put things in perspctive here as you are going on a tangent!
Although I work for QR, I don't let the silly management bother me, so no need for me to pack my bags and besides that is my problem not yours!
I am rather surprised that you say staff are happy and morale is good, remind all of us again, who are these staff? AAB's a...s lickers I guess!
The truth is over 85% of the staff are unhappy and demoralised, whether you like it or not! If they are happy why such a huge staff turnover (crew as well as ground and H/O staff)
Since you are not a pilot, you will never ever understand the stress a pilot goes through on approach, leave alone KTM. So no point discussing this point with you any further.
Yes, I am a Qatari and I am ashamed of the management style, structure at QR. You don't work, so you cannot comment as to how happy you are with the mgmt.
All QR has is shiny new aircraft and a very good inflight service. BUT THIS GOOD INFLIGHT SERVICE IS NOT BECAUSE OF QR MANAGEMENTS VISION, LEADERSHIP OR STYLE BUT PURLEY BECAUSE OF DEDICATED GROUND AND CABIN CREW WHO WORKS VERY HARD INSPITE OF THE NORMAL ILL TREATMENT.
TAKE AWAY CABIN CREW'S HARD WORK.... ONLY SHINY NEW PLANES ON THE RAMP.
So if you are not working for QR you don't have a damn clue what is going on inside qr.
have a nice day
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: la belle France
Posts: 93
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
good man
FlatC.you speak with words of wisdom,its strange that MTQ.should say"if you not happy,then leave",well funny enough thats what I was told along with dozens of others and guess what,we all left,and unfortunately for a lot of other crew(inflight),thats not an option cause their circumstances back home are bad and they really need the job.Also the Qataris are a fine,proud people and they deserve a high quality national carrier to be really proud of but as already mentioned QR really is a last resort for many of its employees.QR really has the potential to challenge other large carriers in the area but one mans Hitler style management is stunting this growth,hence the huge number of crew flocking to EK.I really think if the airline industry in the west gets its feet back QR's staffing problems are really going to multiply.Its ok to have a heavy handed management style in the low-fares secter,like in Europe as the standards are very low but in a modern International Longhaul airline that style just does not work,and QR is proof of that.Maybe things might change in the future.I have more info on the way very soon.Take Care All.
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Doha
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
well done!
Well said FC. You hit the nail on the head.
If QR is to be a true international airline, we need to get rid of the following:
1. CEO
2. GMC
3. Manager yield management
4.Parvez dubash
5. assadullah
Then we all Qataris can be proud.
MT you cannot comment as you do not work for us!
If QR is to be a true international airline, we need to get rid of the following:
1. CEO
2. GMC
3. Manager yield management
4.Parvez dubash
5. assadullah
Then we all Qataris can be proud.
MT you cannot comment as you do not work for us!
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: FL350
Posts: 44
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What is wrong with Dubash?
Anyway, from the guys that I know who are flying at QR (as pilots) things are not as bad as they seem! They all say that life as a pilot is rather easy compared to what we are used in Europe and above that te pay is good!
On the other side they all say that life as cabin crew is really really hard and nothing to be jealous about!
Would it be possible to make a difference here between cabin and cockpit crew ? That would allow me to have a better picture of the company...
Thanks
Anyway, from the guys that I know who are flying at QR (as pilots) things are not as bad as they seem! They all say that life as a pilot is rather easy compared to what we are used in Europe and above that te pay is good!
On the other side they all say that life as cabin crew is really really hard and nothing to be jealous about!
Would it be possible to make a difference here between cabin and cockpit crew ? That would allow me to have a better picture of the company...
Thanks
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Middle East
Posts: 806
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
All of the above is very interesting. However, some of you seem rather more content in correcting others on minor spelling issues rather than concentrating on the matter in hand.
I have been travelling and hence absent from the forum for a few weeks. Nice to see that nothing changes.
Has this thread perhaps run its course Mod?
I have been travelling and hence absent from the forum for a few weeks. Nice to see that nothing changes.
Has this thread perhaps run its course Mod?
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: la belle France
Posts: 93
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
running man??
A300Man, the truth is out there,the bad news just keeps on comin,by the way you seem to be a man with contacts,ahh just like moi,any news on a decompression in QR near Belgrade last year where at least half O2 masks didn,t work??Is this true or not do ya think??????We all missed you nice man.
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: la belle France
Posts: 93
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
more news and denials
Hello A300Man,no luckily I wasn,t on that flight origonally bound for Munich,and I say luckily because there was a decompression and your details are very wrong again because at least half of all O2 masks onboard did NOT operate correctly,I spoke to several persons on that flight and they all confirmed the problems.I even spoke to the Flight crew and they confirmed my worries.Several of the crew on that flight were very ill,hypoxia,and all of the crew stayed on the airplane all night,but that really wasn't QR fault,even so the CEO tried to make the crew operate another flight asap,with no regard to sickness or fatigue.A300Man its good to hear from you but could you not check your facts a bit more better nect time,by the way I live really do live in France,south coast,its beutifull.Thanks.
