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Old 13th May 2023, 21:58
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Originally Posted by Robert Sanus
Good lord Pif Paf you really are a misery.
exactly what gulf management loves about flight crew. Occasionally throw a bone and all is forgiven..... I agree with Pif.
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Old 14th May 2023, 01:38
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Originally Posted by WrldWide
exactly what gulf management loves about flight crew. Occasionally throw a bone and all is forgiven..... I agree with Pif.

24 weeks!! And you call it a bone??
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Old 14th May 2023, 07:27
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Devil

Originally Posted by Pif Paf
So the largest profit share I remember was 14 weeks back in 2010?We made more than the profit made back them in the first 6 months. So surely 14 weeks is a starting point,!!,
We’ve raked in the profits since then. so therefore it’s got to be way in excess of 14 weeks.

remembering they still need to repay me 2 months salary they took from me during covid! So therefore I’m needing minimum 14 + 8 = 22 !

I bet they’re working overtime to work out how they can justify giving us less, which I know they will!!!
Looks like you're up 2 weeks Pif Paf.
and so it goes....
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Old 14th May 2023, 09:45
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Originally Posted by Robert Sanus
Looks like you're up 2 weeks Pif Paf.
and so it goes....

Some people are never satisfied. They will always find something to moan about.

Very toxic!! Like his nickname.

As I said before, take the bonus and leave!

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Old 15th May 2023, 11:44
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Filling up my favourite bucket. Trying not to get used to the smell from the other bucket..some nasty stuff in there. Halas.
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Old 15th May 2023, 15:26
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Expectations

So when hh says "Invest it wisely, save or spend it well and enjoy the results of your hard work,” is he already setting up expectations for next couple of years. Have they given anything for the pay rise. How much above step?
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Old 15th May 2023, 16:59
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To all those that propose leave, where else would you go for widebody with chance of upgrade?

Genuinely interested.
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Old 15th May 2023, 19:47
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Originally Posted by k.swiss
To all those that propose leave, where else would you go for widebody with chance of upgrade?

Genuinely interested.
Any unionised airline in the developed world will offer a higher probability of achieving command, providing the required seniority can be achieved. Robust employment laws and a strong union, removes much of the luck that one needs to achieve and keep their command at EK.

We are short of pilots yet we are flying fewer aircraft than we did before COVID. That alone speaks volumes about how the desirability of the carrier has diminished significantly since the pandemic started.

But above all, don't come here focused on the command. Prior to COVID, new 777 pilots were being quoted double digits in terms of years to command and that will eventually return, once things settle down. There maybe many aircraft on order but a number will simply replace older airframes. Moreover, until the airline moves to DWC, there is also very little room for the airline to expand at DXB.
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Old 17th May 2023, 20:48
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Deducted salary

Originally Posted by Pif Paf
Shazeem, not it hasn’t

Let us be very clear this is a bonus, gladly received by those eligible BUT NOT IN ANY WAY repayment for the salary deducted!

Let us think of this another way, lets say you helped someone out during Covid because they were struggling. Having not been repaid anything for 2 years you then find that the person suddenly got a big bonus, I am sure you would be happy for them. However, if they then decided to upgrade the car, put new entertainment system in, put new interior in, splash the money around to keep everyone happy BUT AT NO POINT talked to you about when they would be repaying the money you had given them, then you would quickly become exceptionally unhappy!

(Also if the salary deducted was included in the 24 weeks as you imply, then it would mean that bonus for those who had the 6 months at half pay would in effect be half the bonus given to everyone else who qualified.)

I would have thought that any decent company would repay the employees the deducted salary money first and then pay a bonus. Sadly, as usual EK are trying to conveniently forget the deducted salary!! Upper management (and I mean DSVP and above because SVP and below have no input) will hope by not talking about it we all forget in time!! However it is something to bring up just before you leave!

Lets reiterate that everyone who received the bonus is very grateful. I do feel for those who weren’t eligible for whatever reason, it happened to me many years ago so I know how it feels. But it is a bonus and not a repayment of the salary deducted!

Now what we want is the contract adjustment letter with a serious pay rise!!!!
I work for European legacy and was layed off for 18 month durig covid with no salary. All pilots were unemployed for 12-24 month. We got about 25% of salary from goverment, 0 from company. Have been in same company over 20 years and had bonus once, maybe 3k€. Salaries were lowered last year. This is in "decent" company 😅
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Old 18th May 2023, 05:53
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It would seem that bigger profit shares are being awarded elsewhere too! Eight months in SIA - which specifically includes an additional element to recognise pay cuts and Covid 19 'sacrifices' over the last 3 years.

https://mothership.sg/2023/05/sia-st...IMBL7yoYF_IQxo

I believe SIA still awards a 13th months salary as a standard part of the salary package in December each year. So that’s 9 months extra salary in SIA this year.

Long may the recovery continue.

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Old 23rd May 2023, 03:08
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SIA 1st year capt basic is about 7800 USD. No housing, no education allowance. Income tax applicable.
Cost of living is at the rooftop….
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Old 23rd May 2023, 04:16
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Originally Posted by WrldWide
exactly what gulf management loves about flight crew. Occasionally throw a bone and all is forgiven..... I agree with Pif.
Just curious, how would you qualify the 5$ starfcuk coffee vaugher that air can distributed to its employees while the exec cashed out 9M bonus

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Old 23rd May 2023, 04:21
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Originally Posted by Emma Royds
Any unionised airline in the developed world will offer a higher probability of achieving command, providing the required seniority can be achieved. Robust employment laws and a strong union, removes much of the luck that one needs to achieve and keep their command at EK.

We are short of pilots yet we are flying fewer aircraft than we did before COVID. That alone speaks volumes about how the desirability of the carrier has diminished significantly since the pandemic started.

But above all, don't come here focused on the command. Prior to COVID, new 777 pilots were being quoted double digits in terms of years to command and that will eventually return, once things settle down. There maybe many aircraft on order but a number will simply replace older airframes. Moreover, until the airline moves to DWC, there is also very little room for the airline to expand at DXB.
Developed world strong union
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Old 23rd May 2023, 04:28
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Originally Posted by karnc
SIA 1st year capt basic is about 7800 USD. No housing, no education allowance. Income tax applicable.
Cost of living is at the rooftop….
Cost of living has always been high in Singapore but only on a par with Dubai. And it is true that SIA has gone almost exclusively to local contracts. But, 9 months is still 9 months. The basic salary hasn't changed. What has 'gone' are the expat only additional benefits. So, if you have a wife, children at school etc, then EK is still the better financial option. Flying pay remains very good in SIA though - just under US$ 3k pcm for a 70 hour month and good productivity rates above 70 hours. The way things are going, I can see expat contracts (and benefits) coming back again. Subjectively, Singapore is a nicer placer to live, the roster allows for a far better qol and ALPA S is as close to being a union as makes no difference.

Not wishing to start an SIA v EK debate though. My intention was purely to highlight that big profit shares are now coming back everywhere and I am very happy for both EK and SIA pilots.
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Old 27th May 2023, 07:00
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Pay rise?
School fees?
accomodation allowance.?
very quiet!

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Old 27th May 2023, 11:14
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Originally Posted by Pif Paf
Pay rise?
School fees?
accomodation allowance.?
very quiet!
I hope you do well on all counts.
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Old 27th May 2023, 11:41
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This is a rumour website after all, so my stab in the dark is a 8% rise on the basic, which will be announced next month.
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Old 28th May 2023, 17:52
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Originally Posted by Emma Royds
This is a rumour website after all, so my stab in the dark is a 8% rise on the basic, which will be announced next month.
If they can raise ticket fares by 20% due to inflation, they can raise the relatively small basic by 5-10%. Rents have exploded in the last 12 months, since the last AA increase; it needs a topping up too.

They critically need to keep the recruitment machine going. That's partly what the 24 weeks was for, and a decent salary increase would also be heard around the industry. It's crunch time, and lot's of aircraft still sitting on the ground due to lack of Captains. And they are supposed to be building a surplus for the A350 next year...

With the new 350 training centre being built, now is the time to pull out the wallet and fix this problem before it's too late. Currently $billions of lost opportunity. Lot's of market share up for grabs post-covid too, and the 350 is slated to open up routes that are too small for the 777. Having this new shiny toy parked due to lack of staff would be a waste.
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Old 28th May 2023, 20:36
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They won't park the 350. They will hire DECs at whatever payscale they need to. It is much cheaper to bring in a few DECs on year 10 payscale than to give everybody a rise. It has been done before.
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Old 28th May 2023, 21:39
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Originally Posted by BigGeordie
They won't park the 350. They will hire DECs at whatever payscale they need to. It is much cheaper to bring in a few DECs on year 10 payscale than to give everybody a rise. It has been done before.

still there are so many how didn’t get a call to come back - some of them not in intressted anymore and others are of to new grounds
EK recruiting ****** it up already
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