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Old 10th May 2024, 10:06
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No annual result announcement. I guess we wait another week.
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Old 10th May 2024, 14:55
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I heard some bad news related to the floodings, might has been taken into consideration
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Old 10th May 2024, 22:29
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No annual result announcement. I guess we wait another week.
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Old 13th May 2024, 07:26
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And 20 is the magic number
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Old 13th May 2024, 09:00
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And 20 is the magic number
hoping this slightly lower than expected / hoped for number is because there is a better pay review , salary increase in the wings!
will have to wait and see what the pay review says!
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Old 13th May 2024, 17:45
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20 weeks is a kick in the teeth. Let’s hope for a proper pay rise this year

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Old 13th May 2024, 20:49
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A kick in the teeth alright, 10.5 months salary as a bonus over the past two years. Terrible.
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Old 13th May 2024, 21:19
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If you give pilots a bag of gold they will complain it's too heavy.
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Old 14th May 2024, 05:22
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20 weeks is a kick in the teeth.
Please keep kicking.
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Old 14th May 2024, 09:25
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You guys have really short memories..


How any of you continue to work there after what they did to your friends and colleagues in Covid is beyond me.


20 weeks great…

How’s your rosters?
Off to India again at 2am tonight?
Still feeling constantly fatigued?
Many days off a month?
Family still on the other side of the world?

Wake up guys… life outside of EK, don’t let your loyalty be bought, give yourself more value.
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Old 14th May 2024, 14:19
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Originally Posted by VC10L1011
You guys have really short memories..


How any of you continue to work there after what they did to your friends and colleagues in Covid is beyond me.


20 weeks great…

How’s your rosters?
Off to India again at 2am tonight?
Still feeling constantly fatigued?
Many days off a month?
Family still on the other side of the world?

Wake up guys… life outside of EK, don’t let your loyalty be bought, give yourself more value.
2-16?
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Old 15th May 2024, 09:47
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What UK/EU/US airline is paying you 20 weeks of salary bonus? each to their own and I hear you when you say it has it's problems. But there's no better back home, in UK for example, the flag carrier is un full tokenism mode where I hear women get an easier sim check to pass, the pay is atrocious and they are still brute. VA is lost and God knows why they are still alive, the charters and low cost will work you as hard as EK for less money. EK let 800 pilots go during Covid? How did BA, VA, Ryanair, Easy etc treated their pilots? they were made redundant too. Don't forget that the country is on its knees, crime, taxes, cost of living etc.
I can't help to feel that some guys are detached from the reality because the've spent too much time there when things were good. Not saying EK is best or great, just asking what's TRULY better out there?!
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Old 15th May 2024, 10:06
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Originally Posted by Raph737
What UK/EU/US airline is paying you 20 weeks of salary bonus? each to their own and I hear you when you say it has it's problems. But there's no better back home, in UK for example, the flag carrier is un full tokenism mode where I hear women get an easier sim check to pass, the pay is atrocious and they are still brute. VA is lost and God knows why they are still alive, the charters and low cost will work you as hard as EK for less money. EK let 800 pilots go during Covid? How did BA, VA, Ryanair, Easy etc treated their pilots? they were made redundant too. Don't forget that the country is on its knees, crime, taxes, cost of living etc.
I can't help to feel that some guys are detached from the reality because the've spent too much time there when things were good. Not saying EK is best or great, just asking what's TRULY better out there?!
They’re all sh*t and they all have their advantages. Personally I think any airline that doesn’t offer multiple part time models is a no-go to start with. Part time at some stage in your career, for some period of your career, is a must unless you are ok with ending up constantly feeling wore down, have no / little social life, no time or energy for any hobbies and a family who no longer recognises you or worse, a family that has left you.

The only other option is a decent rotational schedule, which is very hard to find, and then you also need a family who are 100% onboard with it otherwise it won’t work.


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Old 16th May 2024, 06:43
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Worth the switch?

I was just wondering how is the life in EK? How are the rosters&pay and benefits? Accommodation provided ? Child education? Is the money really good? What are some of the downsides in the middle east.
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Old 16th May 2024, 08:31
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Pleased to see that EK awarded 20 weeks. I have no doubt that it is throughly deserved.

Just for comparison, Singapore Airlines just awarded 8 months (taxable) to all its employees and I believe they also get a 13th months salary in December as a matter of course. Hopefully the good times are back for all.

Unfortunately, too late for this Covid-19 redundant (and medically grounded) ex EK pilot to reap the benefits of. I don't miss the night turns to India but for '20 weeks' I could have soldiered on a bit longer, I think.

Don't spend it all at once!

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Old 16th May 2024, 10:33
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My airline in the UK made 20billion turnover with 1.2bit profit, bonus? £1800....
Some Guys need to get a reality check as to the realities of the UK and Europe right now but I agree with a previous poster, part time is gold. Truth is, when push come to shove, BA management will treat you as bad as EK does in some circumstances, I think some people in Dubai still thinks things are as they were 20 years ago here when they are not. At least you get more cash for the abuse.
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Old 17th May 2024, 07:49
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Those of you who are not at ek haven’t a clue!
compare BA / VA/ TUI if you want , those of us here speak from what we see, hear here and experience!
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Old 17th May 2024, 23:49
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Originally Posted by Pif Paf
Those of you who are not at ek haven’t a clue!
compare BA / VA/ TUI if you want , those of us here speak from what we see, hear here and experience!
I’d say the same to those at EK. I’m about a year or 2 away from a wide body command at one of those airlines and considering a move to EK. BA/VA/TUI might be decent career options, but living in broken Britain is something to consider. If you’ve been out the UK a while you may not realise it.

I feel grossly underpaid living almost pay cheque to pay cheque in a 3 bed terrace house with a garden barely bigger than an EK first class suite, paying obscene amounts of tax, spending 7 months a year living inside waiting for the rain to stop and it takes 6 weeks to get a doctors appointment. And there are my friends at EK, on the golf course at least once a week, driving a Porsche, living in a lovely villa with EK paying the mortgage, saving £3k a month and enjoying life in the sun (outside of the summer). And they’ve received nearly a years salary in bonus in the last 2 years.

Might be tiring, but every other flight I do is a deep night too. The management have no regard for us either, toxic feelings all around the company and our seniority counts for nothing. My bonus this year was £900, half went to the tax man. What am I missing?

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Old 18th May 2024, 08:50
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It is really interesting to see, how different people are.

Left EK after a decade in the Sandpit and moved back to the UK. No regrets and we love it…

Having seen both, would I move back? Nope

But again, that’s obviously just a personal opinion.
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Old 18th May 2024, 09:22
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Originally Posted by FQT2YS
It is really interesting to see, how different people are.

Left EK after a decade in the Sandpit and moved back to the UK. No regrets and we love it…

Having seen both, would I move back? Nope

But again, that’s obviously just a personal opinion.
Similar thoughts here. I was actually made redundant by EK so I would have stayed for another 2-3 years but there is absolutely no way I would go back now if I had the chance - which I don’t due medical and age restrictions.
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