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the years 17/18/19 turned out that usually only two bigger junks of 2-3 weeks long where granted not exact where you wanted them. It could have been granted plus minus a month from where your bid was (even with of season bids). Many only got one VAC granted within 18 month of a max size of 21 days.
A lot of pilots had large amounts of leave days in the bank, because it had never been granted when they where biding for it.
for a fact it’s easier to go home via a layover (Europe 24 hr) every 2 month than getting the leave bid)
sometimes it worked via live leave, where you get the permission just the evening before it start. Still your return is depending inside roaster rules to be acclimatized before the next duty, for LR and ULR min of 12 hours before. This return is monitored by when you pass the e-gate and via the tickets you use. It won’t be brought up immediately, but if something’s is coming to their attention on the subsequent flight it’s one of the first things you will hear as a point of pressure on you -„ you have not been acclimatized“ yet alone this is than a reason for your warning letter. „you are not complying with the procedures“ will be the charge. Worst case punishment on top is, taking away the privilege of ID-Tickets for a period of time and of course the letter.
having one of those letters means, falling a sim can show the exit
if you wish to do that be very careful how it can end.
with EK your life is in Dubai and only leave, if lucky, every half year will give u a trip home- that’s it the rest u are in Dxb.
In- and out every 2/3 month for 10 days does not work anymore since about 2014, thanks to AAR
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Emirates have a dedicated SISARINPAM team.
This is the Sickness,Ill health, Surveillance And Review Independent Non Prejudice Autonomous Monitoring team who work tirelessly to protect workers rights. Although sickness is sometimes and occasionally looked at, this certainly would never be a deciding factor in sacking you or making you redundant as some have alluded to on this forum.
Emirates offer state of the art accommodation in a cosmopolitan city with tax free benefits. Meydan south is a green and welcoming community where pilots live in harmony and really are one big team. You can expect to fly 80 hours per month and all holiday will be granted upon request, and you can expect some great retail discounts across the city, such as costa coffee discount of 25 percent (certain terms and conditions apply)
Although Meydan South is a small ride out of town, the roads are amongst the best in the world. The traffic is light, and drivers are very courteous which makes driving an absolute pleasure.
Children get a well rounded education which sets them up for the real world. They are fortunate to share classes with children who's parents work in a whole host of careers such as Captain and First Officer as well as Synthetic flight instructor.
Opportunities to return home do exist. Allowance is made for pilots to return home on their own days off but the company does ask that an off base notification is completed so Emirates can identify your position on your off days. This is to make sure you stay safe on your down time.
This is the Sickness,Ill health, Surveillance And Review Independent Non Prejudice Autonomous Monitoring team who work tirelessly to protect workers rights. Although sickness is sometimes and occasionally looked at, this certainly would never be a deciding factor in sacking you or making you redundant as some have alluded to on this forum.
Emirates offer state of the art accommodation in a cosmopolitan city with tax free benefits. Meydan south is a green and welcoming community where pilots live in harmony and really are one big team. You can expect to fly 80 hours per month and all holiday will be granted upon request, and you can expect some great retail discounts across the city, such as costa coffee discount of 25 percent (certain terms and conditions apply)
Although Meydan South is a small ride out of town, the roads are amongst the best in the world. The traffic is light, and drivers are very courteous which makes driving an absolute pleasure.
Children get a well rounded education which sets them up for the real world. They are fortunate to share classes with children who's parents work in a whole host of careers such as Captain and First Officer as well as Synthetic flight instructor.
Opportunities to return home do exist. Allowance is made for pilots to return home on their own days off but the company does ask that an off base notification is completed so Emirates can identify your position on your off days. This is to make sure you stay safe on your down time.
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if you call sick prior to your leave your LVE duty converts into SCK - LVE is a duty where your presence is not required while SCK is a duty with presence at base means DXB therefore you need permission to leave base. Also EK only covers medical expenses being on duty while of base. If you break your leg in your of time it’s only covered in Dubai not abroad.
you also require a EK doctor to sign in for SCK(only EK doctors are accepted) means you go to the ER, thereafter you either send the documents from the hospital to a EK doctor or if able show up in person and only thereafter your SCK is confirmed by EK. To maintain in SCK you frequently need to have appointments with EK doctors to provide information of you status, even these doctors are not in charge of you getting healthy again. Failing to do so can end instead of SCK falling into leave of absence which is an item to disciplinary action by management - meaning a warning letter or worse.
summary if you are in a coma or unable to leave a hospital - that’s easy. A Brocken leg on crunches makes you go to EK doctor once a week at least - meaning you not leaving Dxb because you would fail to see the EK doctor leading to above problem
LVE and OFF are the only codes where you can move without permission still you need the off base form filled
maybe someone with access to omA can copy the definition of these duty codes for him to understand
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svp, you’re a moron, plain and simple. You don’t know what you’re talking about. I left EK in the first wave and have a better life in Europe with more money and a much better lifestyle. Of course I’m not flying for a crap outfit like you probably. I’ve seen both sides and unlike you I do know what I’m talking about.
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You do not need permission to leave dubai when you have leave. off base notification theoretically only required for traveling when on OFF days. Basically it’s an expression of interest to operate wherever you are in the world in case they have any crewing issues down route. Haven’t filled one out in years and not heard a thing about it.
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Emirates is excellent .
The salary is very high and always goes up every year.
The weather is always sunny and the women are super hot.
Dubai is a super easy place to live and the training department are probably the best in the industry.
The drive to work is a dream and the drivers are very smooth at braking. The locals are extremely friendly and expats integrate very well with them often learning Arabic.
Australians are a pleasure to fly amongst they are extremely humble.
EK make life really easy , there is no bureaucracy and you seldom have to go to eghq on off days and drive around in circles 20 floors to get a space .
Cabin crew are super dooper and the management are very approachable!
It’s just an excellent place to be.
The salary is very high and always goes up every year.
The weather is always sunny and the women are super hot.
Dubai is a super easy place to live and the training department are probably the best in the industry.
The drive to work is a dream and the drivers are very smooth at braking. The locals are extremely friendly and expats integrate very well with them often learning Arabic.
Australians are a pleasure to fly amongst they are extremely humble.
EK make life really easy , there is no bureaucracy and you seldom have to go to eghq on off days and drive around in circles 20 floors to get a space .
Cabin crew are super dooper and the management are very approachable!
It’s just an excellent place to be.
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Emirates is excellent .
The salary is very high and always goes up every year.
The weather is always sunny and the women are super hot.
Dubai is a super easy place to live and the training department are probably the best in the industry.
The drive to work is a dream and the drivers are very smooth at braking. The locals are extremely friendly and expats integrate very well with them often learning Arabic.
Australians are a pleasure to fly amongst they are extremely humble.
EK make life really easy , there is no bureaucracy and you seldom have to go to eghq on off days and drive around in circles 20 floors to get a space .
Cabin crew are super dooper and the management are very approachable!
It’s just an excellent place to be.
The salary is very high and always goes up every year.
The weather is always sunny and the women are super hot.
Dubai is a super easy place to live and the training department are probably the best in the industry.
The drive to work is a dream and the drivers are very smooth at braking. The locals are extremely friendly and expats integrate very well with them often learning Arabic.
Australians are a pleasure to fly amongst they are extremely humble.
EK make life really easy , there is no bureaucracy and you seldom have to go to eghq on off days and drive around in circles 20 floors to get a space .
Cabin crew are super dooper and the management are very approachable!
It’s just an excellent place to be.
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i Europe any doctor can give u sick note and a company has to accept it. It’s even against the law to challenge 3 days of self certification as in most countries a doctors note is only required for being sick for more than 3 days
it is also mandatory by law to have an insurance.
EK is not an and does not have an insurance - they are paying your bill- therefore they take the right that your sick days are certified by an EK doctor, as well as they take the right to diceide what’s in your best interest, which medical treatment is the best for you, as all of them have to be certified by medical benefits- otherwise you pay yourself
in Europe a mandatory insurance does cover almost everything what is required to make you healthy, including cancer therapy. Because it is by law required insurance.
so there is a big time difference in eu or me
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Emirates is excellent .
The salary is very high and always goes up every year.
The weather is always sunny and the women are super hot.
Dubai is a super easy place to live and the training department are probably the best in the industry.
The drive to work is a dream and the drivers are very smooth at braking. The locals are extremely friendly and expats integrate very well with them often learning Arabic.
Australians are a pleasure to fly amongst they are extremely humble.
EK make life really easy , there is no bureaucracy and you seldom have to go to eghq on off days and drive around in circles 20 floors to get a space .
Cabin crew are super dooper and the management are very approachable!
It’s just an excellent place to be.
The salary is very high and always goes up every year.
The weather is always sunny and the women are super hot.
Dubai is a super easy place to live and the training department are probably the best in the industry.
The drive to work is a dream and the drivers are very smooth at braking. The locals are extremely friendly and expats integrate very well with them often learning Arabic.
Australians are a pleasure to fly amongst they are extremely humble.
EK make life really easy , there is no bureaucracy and you seldom have to go to eghq on off days and drive around in circles 20 floors to get a space .
Cabin crew are super dooper and the management are very approachable!
It’s just an excellent place to be.
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svp, you’re a moron, plain and simple. You don’t know what you’re talking about. I left EK in the first wave and have a better life in Europe with more money and a much better lifestyle. Of course I’m not flying for a crap outfit like you probably. I’ve seen both sides and unlike you I do know what I’m talking about.
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you don’t know what your talking!
i Europe any doctor can give u sick note and a company has to accept it. It’s even against the law to challenge 3 days of self certification as in most countries a doctors note is only required for being sick for more than 3 days
it is also mandatory by law to have an insurance.
EK is not an and does not have an insurance - they are paying your bill- therefore they take the right that your sick days are certified by an EK doctor, as well as they take the right to diceide what’s in your best interest, which medical treatment is the best for you, as all of them have to be certified by medical benefits- otherwise you pay yourself
in Europe a mandatory insurance does cover almost everything what is required to make you healthy, including cancer therapy. Because it is by law required insurance.
so there is a big time difference in eu or me
i Europe any doctor can give u sick note and a company has to accept it. It’s even against the law to challenge 3 days of self certification as in most countries a doctors note is only required for being sick for more than 3 days
it is also mandatory by law to have an insurance.
EK is not an and does not have an insurance - they are paying your bill- therefore they take the right that your sick days are certified by an EK doctor, as well as they take the right to diceide what’s in your best interest, which medical treatment is the best for you, as all of them have to be certified by medical benefits- otherwise you pay yourself
in Europe a mandatory insurance does cover almost everything what is required to make you healthy, including cancer therapy. Because it is by law required insurance.
so there is a big time difference in eu or me
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i know that, but it’s illegal if cought by the tax administrion and administration for social security it comes with seriously hefty fines - do that for ten years and you find yourself in court for tax fraud.
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Emirates is excellent .
The salary is very high and always goes up every year.
The weather is always sunny and the women are super hot.
Dubai is a super easy place to live and the training department are probably the best in the industry.
The drive to work is a dream and the drivers are very smooth at braking. The locals are extremely friendly and expats integrate very well with them often learning Arabic.
Australians are a pleasure to fly amongst they are extremely humble.
EK make life really easy , there is no bureaucracy and you seldom have to go to eghq on off days and drive around in circles 20 floors to get a space .
Cabin crew are super dooper and the management are very approachable!
It’s just an excellent place to be.
The salary is very high and always goes up every year.
The weather is always sunny and the women are super hot.
Dubai is a super easy place to live and the training department are probably the best in the industry.
The drive to work is a dream and the drivers are very smooth at braking. The locals are extremely friendly and expats integrate very well with them often learning Arabic.
Australians are a pleasure to fly amongst they are extremely humble.
EK make life really easy , there is no bureaucracy and you seldom have to go to eghq on off days and drive around in circles 20 floors to get a space .
Cabin crew are super dooper and the management are very approachable!
It’s just an excellent place to be.
Rest is fairly accurate.
That must be a joke. Australians are generally harmless, the majority are the best pilots in the industry, just a reasonable percentage of them that are just very very different to most other aviators, never known what is particularly but it's just the way they operate and conduct themselves that can present some challenges in CRM. The vast majority are probably the best in the world though from my experience. All have a little bee in their Bonet still though.
Rest is fairly accurate.
Rest is fairly accurate.
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probably “the best in the world” also amuses.
I really couldn’t say but I probably know who are not the best in the world or any world for that matter …
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Yes, go to the ME, they are waiting for people like you. Don’t listen to the people who live or used to live there, what do they know. You know much better 🤦♂️
Meanwhile I’m enjoying my 4-6 off days in a row after every trip while being protected by laws and civilization…
Meanwhile I’m enjoying my 4-6 off days in a row after every trip while being protected by laws and civilization…
I worked for nine years in the middle east. I'm Currently back in the EU, working for a ''civilized'' airline...Based on my experience, I'm very disappointed in the T&C airlines offered in this '' Civilized'' world. I fly more than I used to in the ME with less than half the salary on a 5/3 roster, four sectors per day without food and only one 1litter of water offered by the airline. Without mentioning all the extra operations on the ground ecc ecc ecc ..
No worries...we are ''protected''... Let's tell our excellent, civilized manager/Unions to increase the salary and provide us with a snack on 10/13 hour duty and a 5/4 roster (which is still a killer) ....but the answer from our great managers was '' Like it or leave it''... this Sounds a bit like ME correct? So who's the slave now?
Let's report fatigue after a 13hours duty ...ahh, no, better not because the managers will want to ask why...
So better call in sick when you feel fatigued? Ahh, no, they don't pay when you are sick.
All these things are worst than the middle east and just a small part of this'' Protected and civilized'' world you like so much.
I passed a few interviews with other ''civilized'' airlines, but the story is always the same T&C suck. If you are not part of a major in the EU, you better do some flight hours and leave. Go to the middle EAST or Asia, where a pilot earns a good salary and still has a few practical benefits. It hurts to say, but it's the truth. Come back with full pockets and enjoy Europe as a tourist.
I'm glad to know you have 4/6 days off after a trip, and please tell us what reality you live in.
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I worked for nine years in the middle east. I'm Currently back in the EU, working for a ''civilized'' airline...Based on my experience, I'm very disappointed in the T&C airlines offered in this '' Civilized'' world. I fly more than I used to in the ME with less than half the salary on a 5/3 roster, four sectors per day without food and only one 1litter of water offered by the airline. Without mentioning all the extra operations on the ground ecc ecc ecc ..
No worries...we are ''protected''... Let's tell our excellent, civilized manager/Unions to increase the salary and provide us with a snack on 10/13 hour duty and a 5/4 roster (which is still a killer) ....but the answer from our great managers was '' Like it or leave it''... this Sounds a bit like ME correct? So who's the slave now?
Let's report fatigue after a 13hours duty ...ahh, no, better not because the managers will want to ask why...
So better call in sick when you feel fatigued? Ahh, no, they don't pay when you are sick.
All these things are worst than the middle east and just a small part of this'' Protected and civilized'' world you like so much.
I passed a few interviews with other ''civilized'' airlines, but the story is always the same T&C suck. If you are not part of a major in the EU, you better do some flight hours and leave. Go to the middle EAST or Asia, where a pilot earns a good salary and still has a few practical benefits. It hurts to say, but it's the truth. Come back with full pockets and enjoy Europe as a tourist.
I'm glad to know you have 4/6 days off after a trip, and please tell us what reality you live in.
No worries...we are ''protected''... Let's tell our excellent, civilized manager/Unions to increase the salary and provide us with a snack on 10/13 hour duty and a 5/4 roster (which is still a killer) ....but the answer from our great managers was '' Like it or leave it''... this Sounds a bit like ME correct? So who's the slave now?
Let's report fatigue after a 13hours duty ...ahh, no, better not because the managers will want to ask why...
So better call in sick when you feel fatigued? Ahh, no, they don't pay when you are sick.
All these things are worst than the middle east and just a small part of this'' Protected and civilized'' world you like so much.
I passed a few interviews with other ''civilized'' airlines, but the story is always the same T&C suck. If you are not part of a major in the EU, you better do some flight hours and leave. Go to the middle EAST or Asia, where a pilot earns a good salary and still has a few practical benefits. It hurts to say, but it's the truth. Come back with full pockets and enjoy Europe as a tourist.
I'm glad to know you have 4/6 days off after a trip, and please tell us what reality you live in.
My only concern about moving as an FO to ME or SE would be the time to upgrade back to Captain. It is not the same for a 30s years old Captain as a 40s or 50s one.
