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Old 12th Sep 2022, 19:25
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Originally Posted by maskara View Post
Not commute but go home every two months for a week or 10 days. Stress for going home why?
this worked only until around 2014. until when AAR put a rule out saying no off days attached to leave. Since than itís worked every now and than, maybe twice or three time between 2014 and 2020.
the years 17/18/19 turned out that usually only two bigger junks of 2-3 weeks long where granted not exact where you wanted them. It could have been granted plus minus a month from where your bid was (even with of season bids). Many only got one VAC granted within 18 month of a max size of 21 days.
A lot of pilots had large amounts of leave days in the bank, because it had never been granted when they where biding for it.
for a fact itís easier to go home via a layover (Europe 24 hr) every 2 month than getting the leave bid)
sometimes it worked via live leave, where you get the permission just the evening before it start. Still your return is depending inside roaster rules to be acclimatized before the next duty, for LR and ULR min of 12 hours before. This return is monitored by when you pass the e-gate and via the tickets you use. It wonít be brought up immediately, but if somethingís is coming to their attention on the subsequent flight itís one of the first things you will hear as a point of pressure on you -Ą you have not been acclimatizedď yet alone this is than a reason for your warning letter. Ąyou are not complying with the proceduresď will be the charge. Worst case punishment on top is, taking away the privilege of ID-Tickets for a period of time and of course the letter.
having one of those letters means, falling a sim can show the exit
if you wish to do that be very careful how it can end.
with EK your life is in Dubai and only leave, if lucky, every half year will give u a trip home- thatís it the rest u are in Dxb.
In- and out every 2/3 month for 10 days does not work anymore since about 2014, thanks to AAR

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Old 13th Sep 2022, 00:31
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Originally Posted by maskara View Post
Sorry I don't understand when I have anual leave and there is no permission required to go home, why can't I do.
If you are sick.. you need permission from EK to leave Dubai. I donít know how else to say it.
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 09:18
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Emirates have a dedicated SISARINPAM team.

This is the Sickness,Ill health, Surveillance And Review Independent Non Prejudice Autonomous Monitoring team who work tirelessly to protect workers rights. Although sickness is sometimes and occasionally looked at, this certainly would never be a deciding factor in sacking you or making you redundant as some have alluded to on this forum.

Emirates offer state of the art accommodation in a cosmopolitan city with tax free benefits. Meydan south is a green and welcoming community where pilots live in harmony and really are one big team. You can expect to fly 80 hours per month and all holiday will be granted upon request, and you can expect some great retail discounts across the city, such as costa coffee discount of 25 percent (certain terms and conditions apply)

Although Meydan South is a small ride out of town, the roads are amongst the best in the world. The traffic is light, and drivers are very courteous which makes driving an absolute pleasure.

Children get a well rounded education which sets them up for the real world. They are fortunate to share classes with children who's parents work in a whole host of careers such as Captain and First Officer as well as Synthetic flight instructor.

Opportunities to return home do exist. Allowance is made for pilots to return home on their own days off but the company does ask that an off base notification is completed so Emirates can identify your position on your off days. This is to make sure you stay safe on your down time.


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Old 13th Sep 2022, 09:55
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Originally Posted by maskara View Post
Sorry I don't understand when I have anual leave and there is no permission required to go home, why can't I do.
why? Simple
if you call sick prior to your leave your LVE duty converts into SCK - LVE is a duty where your presence is not required while SCK is a duty with presence at base means DXB therefore you need permission to leave base. Also EK only covers medical expenses being on duty while of base. If you break your leg in your of time itís only covered in Dubai not abroad.

you also require a EK doctor to sign in for SCK(only EK doctors are accepted) means you go to the ER, thereafter you either send the documents from the hospital to a EK doctor or if able show up in person and only thereafter your SCK is confirmed by EK. To maintain in SCK you frequently need to have appointments with EK doctors to provide information of you status, even these doctors are not in charge of you getting healthy again. Failing to do so can end instead of SCK falling into leave of absence which is an item to disciplinary action by management - meaning a warning letter or worse.
summary if you are in a coma or unable to leave a hospital - thatís easy. A Brocken leg on crunches makes you go to EK doctor once a week at least - meaning you not leaving Dxb because you would fail to see the EK doctor leading to above problem

LVE and OFF are the only codes where you can move without permission still you need the off base form filled

maybe someone with access to omA can copy the definition of these duty codes for him to understand

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Old 13th Sep 2022, 10:53
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yet it's not worse than working in EU carriers. good luck surviving for food there

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yet it's not worse than working in EU carriers. good luck surviving for food there
svp, youíre a moron, plain and simple. You donít know what youíre talking about. I left EK in the first wave and have a better life in Europe with more money and a much better lifestyle. Of course Iím not flying for a crap outfit like you probably. Iíve seen both sides and unlike you I do know what Iím talking about.
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 15:33
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You do not need permission to leave dubai when you have leave. off base notification theoretically only required for traveling when on OFF days. Basically itís an expression of interest to operate wherever you are in the world in case they have any crewing issues down route. Havenít filled one out in years and not heard a thing about it.
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 17:08
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Emirates is excellent .

The salary is very high and always goes up every year.

The weather is always sunny and the women are super hot.

Dubai is a super easy place to live and the training department are probably the best in the industry.

The drive to work is a dream and the drivers are very smooth at braking. The locals are extremely friendly and expats integrate very well with them often learning Arabic.

Australians are a pleasure to fly amongst they are extremely humble.

EK make life really easy , there is no bureaucracy and you seldom have to go to eghq on off days and drive around in circles 20 floors to get a space .

Cabin crew are super dooper and the management are very approachable!

Itís just an excellent place to be.



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Old 13th Sep 2022, 17:19
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Originally Posted by nimrodjoe View Post
Emirates is excellent .

The salary is very high and always goes up every year.

The weather is always sunny and the women are super hot.

Dubai is a super easy place to live and the training department are probably the best in the industry.

The drive to work is a dream and the drivers are very smooth at braking. The locals are extremely friendly and expats integrate very well with them often learning Arabic.

Australians are a pleasure to fly amongst they are extremely humble.

EK make life really easy , there is no bureaucracy and you seldom have to go to eghq on off days and drive around in circles 20 floors to get a space .

Cabin crew are super dooper and the management are very approachable!

Itís just an excellent place to be.
i which universe do I have to sign up?
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 17:29
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yet it's not worse than working in EU carriers. good luck surviving for food there
you donít know what your talking!

i Europe any doctor can give u sick note and a company has to accept it. Itís even against the law to challenge 3 days of self certification as in most countries a doctors note is only required for being sick for more than 3 days
it is also mandatory by law to have an insurance.
EK is not an and does not have an insurance - they are paying your bill- therefore they take the right that your sick days are certified by an EK doctor, as well as they take the right to diceide whatís in your best interest, which medical treatment is the best for you, as all of them have to be certified by medical benefits- otherwise you pay yourself
in Europe a mandatory insurance does cover almost everything what is required to make you healthy, including cancer therapy. Because it is by law required insurance.

so there is a big time difference in eu or me
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Originally Posted by nimrodjoe View Post
Emirates is excellent .

The salary is very high and always goes up every year.

The weather is always sunny and the women are super hot.

Dubai is a super easy place to live and the training department are probably the best in the industry.

The drive to work is a dream and the drivers are very smooth at braking. The locals are extremely friendly and expats integrate very well with them often learning Arabic.

Australians are a pleasure to fly amongst they are extremely humble.

EK make life really easy , there is no bureaucracy and you seldom have to go to eghq on off days and drive around in circles 20 floors to get a space .

Cabin crew are super dooper and the management are very approachable!

It’s just an excellent place to be.
Just the stuff which people want to hear
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 18:07
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Originally Posted by White Sausage View Post
svp, youíre a moron, plain and simple. You donít know what youíre talking about. I left EK in the first wave and have a better life in Europe with more money and a much better lifestyle. Of course Iím not flying for a crap outfit like you probably. Iíve seen both sides and unlike you I do know what Iím talking about.
Could you please tell us In which lovely company do you work for so I can apply also? lol

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Old 13th Sep 2022, 18:11
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Originally Posted by flyTheBigFatLady View Post
you donít know what your talking!

i Europe any doctor can give u sick note and a company has to accept it. Itís even against the law to challenge 3 days of self certification as in most countries a doctors note is only required for being sick for more than 3 days
it is also mandatory by law to have an insurance.
EK is not an and does not have an insurance - they are paying your bill- therefore they take the right that your sick days are certified by an EK doctor, as well as they take the right to diceide whatís in your best interest, which medical treatment is the best for you, as all of them have to be certified by medical benefits- otherwise you pay yourself
in Europe a mandatory insurance does cover almost everything what is required to make you healthy, including cancer therapy. Because it is by law required insurance.

so there is a big time difference in eu or me
sorry, have you ever heard about self employed pilots in EU? Did you know many of them do not even register for social insurance in order to have some money to survive with such a low salary?
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sorry, have you ever heard about self employed pilots in EU? Did you know many of them do not even register for social insurance in order to have some money to survive with such a low salary?
i know that, but itís illegal if cought by the tax administrion and administration for social security it comes with seriously hefty fines - do that for ten years and you find yourself in court for tax fraud.
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@nimrodjoe

Don't know how good a pilot you are but you definitely have an act for satire 😜
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Originally Posted by nimrodjoe View Post
Emirates is excellent .

The salary is very high and always goes up every year.

The weather is always sunny and the women are super hot.

Dubai is a super easy place to live and the training department are probably the best in the industry.

The drive to work is a dream and the drivers are very smooth at braking. The locals are extremely friendly and expats integrate very well with them often learning Arabic.

Australians are a pleasure to fly amongst they are extremely humble.

EK make life really easy , there is no bureaucracy and you seldom have to go to eghq on off days and drive around in circles 20 floors to get a space .

Cabin crew are super dooper and the management are very approachable!

Itís just an excellent place to be.
That must be a joke. Australians are generally harmless, the majority are the best pilots in the industry, just a reasonable percentage of them that are just very very different to most other aviators, never known what is particularly but it's just the way they operate and conduct themselves that can present some challenges in CRM. The vast majority are probably the best in the world though from my experience. All have a little bee in their Bonet still though.

Rest is fairly accurate.



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That must be a joke. Australians are generally harmless, the majority are the best pilots in the industry, just a reasonable percentage of them that are just very very different to most other aviators, never known what is particularly but it's just the way they operate and conduct themselves that can present some challenges in CRM. The vast majority are probably the best in the world though from my experience. All have a little bee in their Bonet still though.

Rest is fairly accurate.
Thanks for lifting the mood. ďProbably the best in the worldĒ. Probably cornered the market in anal retention.
I havenít laughed so much since Auntie Mabel
caught her left tit in the mangle.
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Thanks for lifting the mood. ďProbably the best in the worldĒ. Probably cornered the market in anal retention.
I havenít laughed so much since Auntie Mabel
caught her left tit in the mangle.
Thats funny, shades of Derek and Clive !
probably ďthe best in the worldĒ also amuses.

I really couldnít say but I probably know who are not the best in the world or any world for that matter Ö
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Yes, go to the ME, they are waiting for people like you. Donít listen to the people who live or used to live there, what do they know. You know much better 🤦‍♂️
Meanwhile Iím enjoying my 4-6 off days in a row after every trip while being protected by laws and civilizationÖ

I worked for nine years in the middle east. I'm Currently back in the EU, working for a ''civilized'' airline...Based on my experience, I'm very disappointed in the T&C airlines offered in this '' Civilized'' world. I fly more than I used to in the ME with less than half the salary on a 5/3 roster, four sectors per day without food and only one 1litter of water offered by the airline. Without mentioning all the extra operations on the ground ecc ecc ecc ..
No worries...we are ''protected''... Let's tell our excellent, civilized manager/Unions to increase the salary and provide us with a snack on 10/13 hour duty and a 5/4 roster (which is still a killer) ....but the answer from our great managers was '' Like it or leave it''... this Sounds a bit like ME correct? So who's the slave now?

Let's report fatigue after a 13hours duty ...ahh, no, better not because the managers will want to ask why...
So better call in sick when you feel fatigued? Ahh, no, they don't pay when you are sick.
All these things are worst than the middle east and just a small part of this'' Protected and civilized'' world you like so much.

I passed a few interviews with other ''civilized'' airlines, but the story is always the same T&C suck. If you are not part of a major in the EU, you better do some flight hours and leave. Go to the middle EAST or Asia, where a pilot earns a good salary and still has a few practical benefits. It hurts to say, but it's the truth. Come back with full pockets and enjoy Europe as a tourist.

I'm glad to know you have 4/6 days off after a trip, and please tell us what reality you live in.
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Originally Posted by Skyfl410 View Post
I worked for nine years in the middle east. I'm Currently back in the EU, working for a ''civilized'' airline...Based on my experience, I'm very disappointed in the T&C airlines offered in this '' Civilized'' world. I fly more than I used to in the ME with less than half the salary on a 5/3 roster, four sectors per day without food and only one 1litter of water offered by the airline. Without mentioning all the extra operations on the ground ecc ecc ecc ..
No worries...we are ''protected''... Let's tell our excellent, civilized manager/Unions to increase the salary and provide us with a snack on 10/13 hour duty and a 5/4 roster (which is still a killer) ....but the answer from our great managers was '' Like it or leave it''... this Sounds a bit like ME correct? So who's the slave now?

Let's report fatigue after a 13hours duty ...ahh, no, better not because the managers will want to ask why...
So better call in sick when you feel fatigued? Ahh, no, they don't pay when you are sick.
All these things are worst than the middle east and just a small part of this'' Protected and civilized'' world you like so much.

I passed a few interviews with other ''civilized'' airlines, but the story is always the same T&C suck. If you are not part of a major in the EU, you better do some flight hours and leave. Go to the middle EAST or Asia, where a pilot earns a good salary and still has a few practical benefits. It hurts to say, but it's the truth. Come back with full pockets and enjoy Europe as a tourist.

I'm glad to know you have 4/6 days off after a trip, and please tell us what reality you live in.
I can not agree more about the working conditions in Europe for most of the LCC.
My only concern about moving as an FO to ME or SE would be the time to upgrade back to Captain. It is not the same for a 30s years old Captain as a 40s or 50s one.
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