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Old 29th Aug 2022, 21:56
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Maximilian Buerger?

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Old 30th Aug 2022, 07:47
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/aviation...ls/experience/

If you want a laugh. He entered aviation in 2019 , and now speaks confidently about the supply,demand and remuneration of all pilots in the MER.

No proper pay rise chaps, max says!
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Old 1st Sep 2022, 06:34
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So EK is making money. Lots! High load factor, higher prices plus cargo limited by crews, cargo prices up, more contracts than cargo management can actually accept.

How am I sure? Well apart from the normal chats and rumours, EK always tries to use up some of the excess cash before end of year therefore not having to pay out the profit share. So what did they do this time - $1 billion cabin refit! You all saw it!

Also EK has just been able to get hold of the $85 million held in Nigeria. So thatís more money in the coffers.

Speaks volumes having all this cash they canít pay us back the remaining 4 months of half pay they owe us out of the 6 ! Also more notably nobody seems to address the issue in the fleet updates. Itís an uncomfortable subject , so letís pretend to forget !

It has not been forgotten!

somebody in EK ought to address this asap
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Old 2nd Sep 2022, 16:21
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Originally Posted by Pif Paf View Post
So EK is making money. Lots! High load factor, higher prices plus cargo limited by crews, cargo prices up, more contracts than cargo management can actually accept.

How am I sure? Well apart from the normal chats and rumours, EK always tries to use up some of the excess cash before end of year therefore not having to pay out the profit share. So what did they do this time - $1 billion cabin refit! You all saw it!

Also EK has just been able to get hold of the $85 million held in Nigeria. So thatís more money in the coffers.

Speaks volumes having all this cash they canít pay us back the remaining 4 months of half pay they owe us out of the 6 ! Also more notably nobody seems to address the issue in the fleet updates. Itís an uncomfortable subject , so letís pretend to forget !

It has not been forgotten!

somebody in EK ought to address this asap
STC & HH always did that
remember 1bil$ RR engine deal just 3 weeks before announcement of profit share which was already delayed by 2 month - outcome 0 for the employees
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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 07:54
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Yes itís indefensible now so they all just go quiet , kennytheking whiteknight all the other costa minions arenít even defending the company these days
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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 12:12
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Originally Posted by nimrodjoe View Post
Yes itís indefensible now so they all just go quiet , kennytheking whiteknight all the other costa minions arenít even defending the company these days
Actually, I'm just tired of answering your constant whinging. I have made my points and I believe the intended audience understands - I am quite happy to leave you to wallow in your endless self pity.
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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 20:04
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There have been hints


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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 20:46
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Originally Posted by Dropp the Pilot View Post
Caught a few. tweedle dumb and tweedle dee. Ek ambassadors. Funny guys.
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Old 4th Sep 2022, 06:49
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Not my fight but, just for accuracy, Nimrod (one word as in nimrodjoe) means 'Mighty Hunter.'

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Nimrod
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Ah the EK management back slapping morons are back
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Old 4th Sep 2022, 11:27
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It was very interesting to see a LinkedIn post from last week, where one of our former management pilots from the UAE posted the following:

Trust = Loyalty.
No Trust = No Loyalty.
So don't be surprised when your employees quit.


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Originally Posted by Emma Royds View Post
It was very interesting to see a LinkedIn post from last week, where one of our former management pilots from the UAE posted the following:

Trust = Loyalty.
No Trust = No Loyalty.
So don't be surprised when your employees quit.
Emirates has been considered a joke amongst the considerable majority of professional pilots worldwide for the last 10-15 years, but the couple here who cant see below the 5 star hotels and beach clubs never fail to surprise me.
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Old 4th Sep 2022, 15:37
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Originally Posted by Emma Royds View Post
It was very interesting to see a LinkedIn post from last week, where one of our former management pilots from the UAE posted the following:

Trust = Loyalty.
No Trust = No Loyalty.
So don't be surprised when your employees quit.
I hope that the original author of this LinkedIn post is not convinced that his UAE national fellows or the the company in question is in any kind loyal or trustworthy
I didnít realize we have 1st April again
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Maybe I am wrong but unfortunately as pilots we have to realise that we are not as valuable a commodity as we might like to think. The beancounters and management know this and will continue to use this fact to their full advantage for as long as they can. The industry has changed radically and aircraft are far safer and do not fall out of the sky so easily anymore. Thirty plus years ago it would have been a very different story, but nowadays it is actually a lot harder to end up a statistic and we have seen that many times over the years. As pilots we see the near accidents and incidents and wonder in awe why management aren't shaken into action, but they know full well that the chances of a hull loss are very rare and when it does happen the public will forget about it in a few days. Insurance companies also know this and are prepared to accept the risk. They dont want us old experienced pilots as we are a major expense when you can have almost two new Captains for the same salary. They know they can shake a tree nowdays and cheap pilots will fall out of it.

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Old 5th Sep 2022, 13:47
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The management might think that , but I don’t think the passengers do. I think passengers want the old hairy Sully type with safe hands, not the dewy eyed teenager with more time on Instagram than the flight deck. They are more willing to fly low cost with low experience but expect experience when they pay the EK prices and believe the EK shiny hype.

Shame the public doesn’t realise….maybe they should
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Ah the EK management back slapping morons are back
Nimrod always gonna nimrod. It's in his culture and we see it every day on the line with him or his brethren with whom we are infested.
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Old 5th Sep 2022, 18:40
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Everything a ok

Apparently 100+ resignations in August alone. But surely itís just normal attrition, nothing to worry about.
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Old 5th Sep 2022, 23:22
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Anybody would think a recessions on its way…

just got to make sure where you end up is indeed more secure
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Apparently 100+ resignations in August alone. But surely it’s just normal attrition, nothing to worry about.
Fleeing like rats off a sinking ship?

Rearranging the deck chairs with premium Economy now.

Is there actually anywhere people can move though, as all the PPRuNe senior members of the establishment keep saying... there's no world outside emirates, there's nothing else, its ek or nothing. where are all these guys going? is there actually a big wide world outside the UAE? sounds scary.

It would be nice day to think that one day I could live somewhere where I can drink the tap water.
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Insurance companies also know this and are prepared to accept the risk. They dont want us old experienced pilots as we are a major expense when you can have almost two new Captains for the same salary. They know they can shake a tree nowdays and cheap pilots will fall out of it..
yes they donít like paying for older experienced pilots but they need us, why?

Many years ago, at one of the pilots meetings, we were told that EKs insurance premiums had dropped. EK was very happy! They also explained why.

Airlines have insurance, in some respects similar to car insurance.so aircraft age, number of aircraft, route structure, accident record, safety record, maintenance, hours flown etc all count towards premiums. Also a major factor is pilots ages and experience levels. Too many young, inexperienced pilots mean the premiums go up.

So while senior experienced captains may cost some money in reality they need a proportion of the flight crew to be older and more experienced to balance out the number of young, inexperienced Pilots coming through, in order to keep the insurance companies happy! Also it makes passengers a bit happier knowing thereís some experience on the flight deck?

(plus someone needs to make sure the young, Iíve been flying commercially for 2 years, I therefore know it all, facebook wonder, instagram pasting, Porsche/ Bentley / Ferrari driving (delete as necessary ), I think itís normal to fly in fully reclined position with feet up because itís cool, mobile phone hugging, Iím a sky god type actually remembers heís got to do a job whilst on flight deck)
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