Has anyone been through the MPL cadet pilot selection process recently?

So you’re not interested in working for Qatar or in the Middle East in general… why are you engaging in a Qatar airways thread and worrying what people who work here think?

The fact that people complain even though they work somewhere is nothing new. The issue is (and I’m surprised I need to explain it), once you move to a new country with your family etc, you simply cannot just up sticks and leave because you don’t like it.

I’m afraid responsibilities play a big role… for example school for your children (if you have them). You simply can’t keep moving them from school to school on a whim. Financial commitments also play a major role in deciding your next step. I could go on, but I won’t.

Two things can be true at the same time 🤷🏻‍♂️

Negative sir, you've completely misunderstood what I wrote there... I very much said I'm interested in working in the ME. What I'm trying to figure out is all the people who warn against it while continuing a career there.

That's the whole point you're missing . Many , including myself many years ago moved to doha with several promises such as fast track and even some contractual terms . Throughout the years all of those were unilaterally destroyed even being mentioned by cliff the cliff "business as usual ".

​​​​​​The erosion of ethics, work conditions and T&C are like a rocket but facing the ground though .

Unfortunately the whole 2014 and later batches choose qr instead of other employers and moved to doha with families hoping to build a career but after years in the gig they just discovered was an extremely temporary job . As soon as you get there it gets harder to leave . Thankfully it's not my case but many friends are literally stuck in the moving sand , depressed but somehow happy that they family are doing well .

What people tell here for others to avoid the place (if you're not from the East side of the world )instead of leaving is the utmost courtesy that a fellow colleague could do for another one , so they don't have to deal with what those working there have to deal in daily basis ...

All the jobs in the middle east are a sort of slavery but not every "Mill Lord " beats you with the same intensity ...

Guys! QR could be a really nice place to live and work, just with few tips, small improvement and it could be really pleasant for pilots.
There is only 1 big issue, 1 person on top which is ruining everything, C..... always rejecting these small improvement without even talking about salary revise etc etc....this guy is scum and really hated from the pilot community....only the big head likes him ofc bcause the Company makes big profit every year on top of the pilot and cc....without him I am sure it would be much different....

I can let you hold to door handle if you see what I mean

anyone attend KL roadshow?

and btw…. Qr hasn’t hired any DEC almost 2 years now

This is NOT true.

only few exceptions….

Then they have, didn’t take too long to alter your stance.

Qatar airways had a period of upgrades to pacify an FO revolt. Now Qatar has an FO shortage. They will need to aggressively find FOs to plug the gap and therefore will need DECs to fill Captain positions.

FOs and Captains alike are jumping ship. This is not hyperbole, this is fact. Pilot recruitment roadshows are not yielding many pilots, except maybe Asia.

There is a cadet program which gives a constant intake of pilots.
Also, the outflow is not as heavy as people describe and new recruits are given a place in the holding pool for example.

I totally agree with the people above blaming the issue to some managers(if we wanna called them that way).
Unfortunately, the airline relied on some high up people which brought their contorted ideas from the UK and Malta to name a few places.
Only because someone has 15k hours does not mean he is gonna be a good director of Flight ops/HT/or any other nominated person position.
I definitely think they got the lesson now. They are investing on their national managers and spending a lot of money to train them.
You can sometimes tell the difference when dealing with locals and foreign managers, locals tend to be more professional and prepared. But it will take time before they change things if they ever will.

With that being said QR is not for everyone, if you like easygoing places where you can just disregard SOPs and live in a xenophobic society than look elsewhere. Just my piece of advice.

OK, good point. But who trains them? Aren’t they the same people the whole group keeps complaining about? I think a visit to the Fleet Office will give you the answer.Everyone has been hearing that “it just takes time” for the past 15 years. During that period, top management has changed several times, yet very little has improved for the workhorses. Just a small reality check.

Lately, I find myself increasingly flying with rather naive people in the cockpit, mostly those who joined during or after COVID. Their real wake-up call is probably still ahead of them in the coming years.
I’m not complaining, there are good and bad aspects, just like anywhere else. It’s simply important to look at things in context and to understand why the more senior colleagues hold the views they do.

It's your point of view, but just a quick clarification in 2015 the upgrade times were around 3 to 5 years.
To me QR has been a very good choice. The airline perks and salary are way better than what I got flying in Europe.

Yes, many naive people but not only in the cockpit XD

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Among professionals your reaction is tbh a bit naive and childish.
If there is something you do not agree with try to explain it in a civilized way.

Take a day off my friend. Sometimes a simple mocking is all that’s required!

Nothing naive at all. Just a reaction to your rather sycophantic post, fawning over your overlords.

Again, come back when you have something meaningful to share.
QR attracts certain people that are here only for the money, they get it and when asked to deliver what is expected of them they start whining, causing trouble and misbehaving. And this has consequences on all of us. Here I am talking specifically about some managers we have.
I never said that QR is the perfect outfit, but it certainly is better than what I experienced closer to home.
Not at all sycophantic, I do my part than get home and live my life with family. That's it, I am respectful of course but no ass-kissing.
It's simply a business transaction after all.

That’s actually quite funny. You mention that some people come for just the money….. to which I would say, so what? Then you mention that employment here is simply a business transaction…. Sounds very similar to me.

The fact that you happy at QR, doesn’t give you the right to knock people who are on the other side of the fence. After all, who is right and who is wrong? It’s simply a matter of perspective.

Are you an FO who left their airline and now sit in the right seat of a wide body fleet? I would imagine that you haven’t experienced more than two airlines in your career… I may be wrong of course.

Your perspective was to mock my answer and calling me a sycophantic, that was the reason of my reply not because you have a different view on QR.
I worked for more than 2 operators, I did not leave my previous airline I was furloughed during the "reconstruction", btw it was during captain upgrade training.
2 years later I got the call back but declined, salary was not the only reason, company treatment was appalling.