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Old 15th May 2021, 22:16
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yes, you and people like you are destroying the world... nobody likes people like "you"...
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Old 16th May 2021, 00:18
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Ahhh the post after post.... rumor after rumor... ... the unnecessary EK guys, why you guys (if you are EK pilot) even here.... more importantly, what is real and what is not....

So much things to discuss, so much things to reply too....

QRAviator Thanks for the reply... I do hope you MPL cadets do return...honestly you tend to be the most sensible to bring back, in terms of training, loyalty and how long they can keep you... I do recall a letter going into CEO office mentioning the MPLs, but I do not know if anything is done or will be done with that letter.

QRAviator To answer your question; the GENERAL order was spoken around the offices to be most senior (in terms of seniority in the airline) coming back 1st. But clearly some rubbish is apparently going on. *will discuss further on*. Keep in contact with me and the forum and you should have some medium with all MPLs to communicate. I would be very interested in seeing how things with you all will unfold. Because as you rightly mentioned the qatari based MPL programme has been reinstated.

People above mentioned pilots are leaving (eg. on 350 fleet) I CANNOT STRESS HOW TRUE THIS IS! That is not a rumor any more! Pilots across ALL fleets are leaving. There are reliable research already showing the surge in demand for pilots predominantly in the US, with an increase in demand for them 2022-2025. Which was always predicted, anyone able to jump over to the US, grab a FAA license and go... I recommend to do so... More money in QA, yes...but no job security, no loyalty, and all the BS combined... not worth it... If you get a sense that i am trying to discourage people staying with ackbar ailines and encouraging people to leave... I am... their suffering is well deserved for what they have/are/will do people...

So wrt rehiring and the golden age of pilots to return being 40... yes... this is true... but understand that there are multiple factors in play here...

A pilot can be 40 with 5000 hours and another 35 with 5001 hours... who would you bring back? Age or hours?
One pilot could be staff number 88950 with 3000 hours and another with 104123 with 4000 hours... who would you bring back? Senior staff number or hours?
One pilot could be SN 1234 age 45 and another SN 12345 age 33...who would you bring back? senior staff or younger pilot?

To SOME extent; the younger pilots are better...more years to get out of them. But Older pilots are better, you get experience from them. Is airline seniority important? Flight experience in or outside the airline? Should they hire in the order the fired? The MPL cadets should have also had a contract that allowed them to be employed up to 1500 hours... is that a factor? Who really know... and the rumor was senior guys/gals back 1st... Now due to the gracious people on the forum we can see that there are some inexperienced guys coming back Taviator .... btw, much thanks for the message... appreciated
  • TruckR Your reply has been helpful not only to me but also to many who are reading here... thank you! What you have mentioned is true.. I can also confirm most of it or agree that those are rumors that i have been hearing myself.
  • 777 is in the point if serious **** over worked, under pain, exhausted, annoyed... just to name a few... and you know what... expect it just to get worst and worst... but as mentioned....as soon as the opportunity arises Tuckr... LEAVE! believe me!
  • Yes, the numbers are approximately 200 bodies needed for the birds but at the current projects (simple maths models someone posted in this forum before) there was/is (pre pandemic and now post pandemic ) no way QA can supply the pilots for the demand. But they will forever act like everything is ok.... The best viable solution is to contract out the simulators and train/retain new/redundant crew outside of doha (with QA instructors) and then bring them back do a line skills test flight and then do regular operations... on a world wide scale this will also make them look VERY GOOD, i do not understand why they have not done this as yet....
  • Also look at the new 'opportunity' for 777 to give up their leave in June...

Fleet transferring makes no sense... you move guys INTO 777 but also move guys out of 777.... ummmm OK HR and training... if you need new staff with more common sense, please refer to PPRuNe...

QRA350 "Any rumors/ news for recalls on the A350 fleet ?" Great question.... can anyone update us on this? 350 is QA pride and they've flown it throughout the pandemic to prove to the world that they can fly their best plane everywhere. How emirates has the 380, we at QR have the 350... little child's mentality.... but now that the airbus fuel subsidy has ran out...what is the plan now? I have not really heard/read news on 350 being rehired... are 320s upgrading to the 350 currently? Or with QA logic...is 787 transferring to 350? Looking forward for replies...

SandPilot350 Look at the **** this company does... everyone who became redundant should read this letter and have a disgust for ackbar and his bunch of lackies... I will believe there are redundant pilots here in this forum. When you got RUD and ackbar wanted to prove that he was the most humane airline ever what did he say/do? (If anyone has the interview where he spoke about this please post it!) Didnt he say all fired staff will eventually come back or get the opportunity to come back? When you got your letters, didnt they say that you will be in a pool and you will get the opportunity to return and fly when demand arises again? That wasn't written... that wasnt a contract (not like contracts matter in this company ) that was signed by the airline and the fired indivudals.... was just ackbar's word of mouth pushing some PR BS? because now there is a letter telling certain pilots that they are on the short list to return... so all the other people fired are not on a list? Do you see why this airline gets very suspicious? Do you see how they say one thing and another happens... I read that letter and all i could think is the guys who are out there that got fired, the hopes/promises that was given to them must just be shattered.... the consequences for the airline for doing that will be.... as always all...

Another point to mention about the letter.... Due to training availability and resources the rejoining date will be delayed... wtf.... negative feedback loop... 777 training problem again?

Can anyone confirm that all pilots who are in qatar airways either going home for RED/fired or flying for the airline? Or are there still guys waiting in doha for more news? Because as
Monkey Brains mentioned... it has been MONTHS these poor souls waited!

Thatdude created an account just to make his post guys... No disrespect intended, what the guys said above you (above Thatdude) is a inappropriate... The reality is Indians are the majority of the workers here ( admin, HR, Econ, etc) and as a result I am assuming they (they guys who spoke about your people) have no one else to blame... this is my assumption, i am not defending, intending to insult or criticizing anyone.... BUT guys.. yes... this is a free speech forum, but let's be considerate to one another... let's not get offended by things said aswell.... we are a bit better than that... we dont need to discriminate.... let us instead talk **** about akbar and his airline =)

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Qatar Airways and the whole country is based on lies.
Do you remember last year when Al Baker promised that 25% pay cut will be to reduce firing.
"Inshallah", the firing increased instead.
  • Oh how I understand you.... Such BS....Believe me... this is the typical BS that the airline does.... but yes... i do remember and hated it!
gpsprimary01 Thanks for your reply. I've heard it was a big customer like Alibaba and the other i'm not sure but it's DHL? This situation make me laugh unfortunately.
  • Yes they have contracts for moving cargo with Alibaba and Aliexpress but are unable to fulfil because of the 777 delima.... What i have noticed though... most of the China cargo is mainly 747... can someone confirm or deny this?
Aviator64 Are they planning to call MPL guys back any time soon ?
  • Million dollar question. Honestly this is the most interesting thing in terms of rehiring. i am curious how the airline would (or even if ) do this.... The mistake in the 1st place was firing the MPL. No offence to the senior guys out there who i can confirm are A class quality pilots/ trainers/ captains/ FO, but the MPL program is superior to the CPL (exception of qatari MPL). In this message and above there is also another MPL pilot, you all should get in contact with each other and see how things are going.
  • Have you heard any rumors? Because I have...not popular or reliable ones though....
As mmorel mentioned....hey can call MPLs back to P2F, but it is highly unlikely...

Let's see what will go on now that Eid is over...
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Old 16th May 2021, 08:38
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immapostthis That's the plan. As soon as I can find a job, in aviation or not, I am getting the fudge out.
Speaking with a lot's of my colleague, they will do the same. We can't wait for opportunity to arise, and waive the goat fudger goodby.
gpsprimary01 Yes, we have 777 on the ground due to a lack of crew.
I heard the same rumors as previously mentioned. We missed two cargo contracts because of crew shortage. AB must have been thrilled by that...

On other note:
- I had a look at the A350 roster. It is now as bad as 777.
- The non sense keeps on going.
30% of the FO got their leave cancelled in May and June. For the FO they didn't even bother asking. They just choose people.
Among the remaining 70% some of us didn't want our leaves anymore. Most of the time due to restriction in our home countries.
We emailed the office, telling them we don't want to go because we can't go home so you can have our leave back. It was refused
So we found guys willing to swap with us. We went to the office together and told them :
I don't want my leave because I can't go back home, this guys wants to go, he hasn't seen his family for over a year now. Can he take my leave slots ?
Well guess what ? It was refused... How to make people happy 101...

To the Indians bashers, I understand why you do that. They are the most visible community here. So when something get on your nerves they are an easy target.
As much as it pains me to recognize it, I am the same.
But don't forget that in Qatar Airways they mostly have minion's job.
High management (the guys taking the decision to screw you over), at least in flight ops, is mostly from Europe and North Africa.
Indians have no part in this. Even if the secretary telling you 'not allowed captain' is from there, it's not her decision, it's the decision of your fellow compatriots... Sad no ?
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Old 17th May 2021, 05:52
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High management (the guys taking the decision to screw you over), at least in flight ops, is mostly from Europe and North Africa.
You mean Italians and Algerians.
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Old 17th May 2021, 07:10
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Divide et impera
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Old 17th May 2021, 10:05
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immapostthis,TruckR Yes I did create an account to make that post because I felt that it is an issue that needed to be addressed after looking at some of the racist comments that have been posted here . Yes , I agree that Indians are the majority workers there and I can see that the airline has a lot of issues and is a mess right now but that does not mean that we have to resort to racism to deal with it. EVEN if they are a majority in the region. Thank you for addressing the issue 👍
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Old 18th May 2021, 03:26
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So wrt rehiring and the golden age of pilots to return being 40... yes... this is true... but understand that there are multiple factors in play here...
Agreed, the 40 year olds have a decent experience level and 20-25 years of flying left in them. Whilst the under 30s are able to move back to jobs in their own countries and start at the bottom of the seniority list, someone 40+ especially with a family, will be locked into the airline and it will be much harder for them to start over if they leave.

50+ would be mainly trainers, examiners or managers.
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Old 18th May 2021, 04:58
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Cabin Crew redundancies have started again. F1s this time, mostly the ones that never went back since March 2020, All this is happening when QR is bring back CC that were on SIDL when borders were closed in March 2020.
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Old 18th May 2021, 16:23
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Carry forward id90 ticket

Hello,

does anyone know if we can extend validity of carry forward id 90 ticket ? I emailed staff ticket agency but they do not responde to my email.

my last day of work is in July , if I buy a ticket now can i use it after july?

I bought several ticket before I left the company and due to corona situation I could not use them.
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Old 18th May 2021, 16:31
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Better to get them refunded.
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Old 18th May 2021, 17:22
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It's not refundable since i left the company.
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Old 18th May 2021, 18:06
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I was made redundant June 28 and on that day I issued my 12 ID tickets + annuals for myself and family. We have remained in Doha as, luckily, my wife has a good job but were up to now unable to use the tickets.
In October QR issued the new policy allowing redundant pilots to issue their allowance tickets for one year after termination, with six month validity. For that reason Staff travel is giving tolerance on the expiry date of tickets issued before said policy.
Went to Staff Travel last month and was informed that tolerance exists and bookings after expiry date can be made in person at the office or by phone (tried a few times with no success in getting the line, they are always busy).
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Old 18th May 2021, 18:52
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what I understand like normal ID90 it has a 6 month or 1 year validity since date of booking.
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Old 18th May 2021, 20:19
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Thanks, Planoramix, is there any way to ask them to reissue them with 6 months validity. My question is basically if you were made redundant on June 28 then can we reissue those tickets to be used 6 months after June 28th, 2021? As you mentioned it's really hard to call them as they are always busy. I wish we could use Rahal to change dates and reissue them.
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Old 18th May 2021, 20:36
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The nodding staff are careless even when you work for admiral ackbar, imagine after your services are not needed anymore...
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Old 19th May 2021, 11:12
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Did anyone succeed in getting QR to provide employer references? Iíve been trying for days but they keep bouncing my request between FCSS and HR.
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Old 19th May 2021, 12:15
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There was a mistake in mu title as well and i email them three months ago and they haven't reply back. They told mw to
contact different department and that department does not responde. They don't really care about helping us to get right documents. We really need to complain about them to news so they know the true picture of qatar airways
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Old 19th May 2021, 17:33
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Hi everyone. As far as I know they donít issue reference letter for former staff.

ive asked senior fleet manager and thatís his answer.

they can issue a recommandation letter but without Qatar airways stamp and manager position ( as a colleague) .

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Old 19th May 2021, 18:32
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Yet upon joining their circus they requested all sort of crap.
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Did anyone succeed in getting QR to provide employer references? Iíve been trying for days but they keep bouncing my request between FCSS and HR.
Apparently your new company needs to contact [email protected] so they can keep a track on who gets a new job or so..
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