Ahhh the post after post.... rumor after rumor... ... the unnecessary EK guys, why you guys (if you are EK pilot) even here.... more importantly, what is real and what is not....
So much things to discuss, so much things to reply too....
QRAviator Thanks for the reply... I do hope you MPL cadets do return...honestly you tend to be the most sensible to bring back, in terms of training, loyalty and how long they can keep you... I do recall a letter going into CEO office mentioning the MPLs, but I do not know if anything is done or will be done with that letter.
QRAviator To answer your question; the GENERAL order was spoken around the offices to be most senior (in terms of seniority in the airline) coming back 1st. But clearly some rubbish is apparently going on. *will discuss further on*. Keep in contact with me and the forum and you should have some medium with all MPLs to communicate. I would be very interested in seeing how things with you all will unfold. Because as you rightly mentioned the qatari based MPL programme has been reinstated.
People above mentioned pilots are leaving (eg. on 350 fleet) I CANNOT STRESS HOW TRUE THIS IS! That is not a rumor any more! Pilots across ALL fleets are leaving. There are reliable research already showing the surge in demand for pilots predominantly in the US, with an increase in demand for them 2022-2025. Which was always predicted, anyone able to jump over to the US, grab a FAA license and go... I recommend to do so... More money in QA, yes...but no job security, no loyalty, and all the BS combined... not worth it... If you get a sense that i am trying to discourage people staying with ackbar ailines and encouraging people to leave... I am... their suffering is well deserved for what they have/are/will do people...
So wrt rehiring and the golden age of pilots to return being 40... yes... this is true... but understand that there are multiple factors in play here...
A pilot can be 40 with 5000 hours and another 35 with 5001 hours... who would you bring back? Age or hours?
One pilot could be staff number 88950 with 3000 hours and another with 104123 with 4000 hours... who would you bring back? Senior staff number or hours?
One pilot could be SN 1234 age 45 and another SN 12345 age 33...who would you bring back? senior staff or younger pilot?
To SOME extent; the younger pilots are better...more years to get out of them. But Older pilots are better, you get experience from them. Is airline seniority important? Flight experience in or outside the airline? Should they hire in the order the fired? The MPL cadets should have also had a contract that allowed them to be employed up to 1500 hours... is that a factor? Who really know... and the rumor was senior guys/gals back 1st... Now due to the gracious people on the forum we can see that there are some inexperienced guys coming back Taviator .... btw, much thanks for the message... appreciated
- TruckR Your reply has been helpful not only to me but also to many who are reading here... thank you! What you have mentioned is true.. I can also confirm most of it or agree that those are rumors that i have been hearing myself.
- 777 is in the point if serious **** over worked, under pain, exhausted, annoyed... just to name a few... and you know what... expect it just to get worst and worst... but as mentioned....as soon as the opportunity arises Tuckr... LEAVE! believe me!
- Yes, the numbers are approximately 200 bodies needed for the birds but at the current projects (simple maths models someone posted in this forum before) there was/is (pre pandemic and now post pandemic ) no way QA can supply the pilots for the demand. But they will forever act like everything is ok.... The best viable solution is to contract out the simulators and train/retain new/redundant crew outside of doha (with QA instructors) and then bring them back do a line skills test flight and then do regular operations... on a world wide scale this will also make them look VERY GOOD, i do not understand why they have not done this as yet....
- Also look at the new 'opportunity' for 777 to give up their leave in June...
Fleet transferring makes no sense... you move guys INTO 777 but also move guys out of 777.... ummmm OK HR and training... if you need new staff with more common sense, please refer to PPrune...
QRA350 "Any rumors/ news for recalls on the A350 fleet ?" Great question.... can anyone update us on this? 350 is QA pride and they've flown it throughout the pandemic to prove to the world that they can fly their best plane everywhere. How emirates has the 380, we at QR have the 350... little child's mentality.... but now that the airbus fuel subsidy has ran out...what is the plan now? I have not really heard/read news on 350 being rehired... are 320s upgrading to the 350 currently? Or with QA logic...is 787 transferring to 350? Looking forward for replies...
SandPilot350 Look at the **** this company does... everyone who became redundant should read this letter and have a disgust for ackbar and his bunch of lackies... I will believe there are redundant pilots here in this forum. When you got RUD and ackbar wanted to prove that he was the most humane airline ever what did he say/do? (If anyone has the interview where he spoke about this please post it!) Didnt he say all fired staff will eventually come back or get the opportunity to come back? When you got your letters, didnt they say that you will be in a pool and you will get the opportunity to return and fly when demand arises again? That wasn't written... that wasnt a contract (not like contracts matter in this company ) that was signed by the airline and the fired indivudals.... was just ackbar's word of mouth pushing some
PR BS? because now there is a letter telling certain pilots that they are on the short list to return... so all the other people fired are not on a list? Do you see why this airline gets very suspicious? Do you see how they say one thing and another happens... I read that letter and all i could think is the guys who are out there that got fired, the hopes/promises that was given to them must just be shattered.... the consequences for the airline for doing that will be.... as always
all...
Another point to mention about the letter.... Due to training availability and resources the rejoining date will be delayed... wtf.... negative feedback loop... 777 training problem again?
Can anyone confirm that all pilots who are in qatar airways either going home for RED/fired or flying for the airline? Or are there still guys waiting in doha for more news? Because as
Monkey Brains mentioned... it has been MONTHS these poor souls waited!
Thatdude created an account just to make his post guys... No disrespect intended, what the guys said above you (above Thatdude) is a inappropriate... The reality is Indians are the majority of the workers here ( admin, HR, Econ, etc) and as a result I am assuming they (they guys who spoke about your people) have no one else to blame... this is my assumption, i am not defending, intending to insult or criticizing anyone.... BUT guys.. yes... this is a free speech forum, but let's be considerate to one another... let's not get offended by things said aswell.... we are a bit better than that... we dont need to discriminate.... let us instead talk **** about akbar and his airline =)
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Qatar Airways and the whole country is based on lies.
Do you remember last year when Al Baker promised that 25% pay cut will be to reduce firing.
"Inshallah", the firing increased instead.
- Oh how I understand you.... Such BS....Believe me... this is the typical BS that the airline does.... but yes... i do remember and hated it!
gpsprimary01 Thanks for your reply. I've heard it was a big customer like Alibaba and the other i'm not sure but it's DHL? This situation make me laugh unfortunately.
- Yes they have contracts for moving cargo with Alibaba and Aliexpress but are unable to fulfil because of the 777 delima.... What i have noticed though... most of the China cargo is mainly 747... can someone confirm or deny this?
Aviator64 Are they planning to call MPL guys back any time soon ?
- Million dollar question. Honestly this is the most interesting thing in terms of rehiring. i am curious how the airline would (or even if ) do this.... The mistake in the 1st place was firing the MPL. No offence to the senior guys out there who i can confirm are A class quality pilots/ trainers/ captains/ FO, but the MPL program is superior to the CPL (exception of qatari MPL). In this message and above there is also another MPL pilot, you all should get in contact with each other and see how things are going.
- Have you heard any rumors? Because I have...not popular or reliable ones though....
As mmorel mentioned....hey can call MPLs back to P2F, but it is highly unlikely...
Let's see what will go on now that Eid is over...