Qatar salary reductions and redundancies 😬

[Silver68]

Just answering the question.

[jadrolinija]

Did redundant guys who were called back have to go through assesment process again?

[Aviateur86]

As far as I know the only redundant guys that were sent the rejoining email are those with past warning letters and two of them almost 59 years old with previous simulators failure, very very strange, most probably is the qatari way of showing the world that they care about their ex redundant crew and are doing the best they can to have them all back while in reality they don't give a **** , as the pilot community well knows.
They sent this ridicolous invitation email that anticipates a new assessment process with psychological quizzes etc etc, some guys have already failed the rejoining process btw.
Those who will rush to join this company of incompetent traitors will have an amazingly new staff number, ridicolous salary and start from the bottom for god knows what punishment, some smarter ones have already offered a better position elsewhere in Europe and Asia and will not show up because things are moving everywhere, just a little more patience and the covid inertia will finish.
Who will join, even if inexperienced for the B77 fleet will be allocated that airplane and will be bonded in order not to escape in one year.
Qatar Boeing pilots had all may june leave cancelled and with a chance reaching 99% will spend the rest of the summer working like crazy, if they cannot fly their planes now, imagine in july august september, no way, thanks to the SUPER managers Qatar chose to handle the crisis and the best is yet to come, just prepare your popcorn.

[Silver68]

Incompetent traitor? Seriously, who do you think you are?

Firstly, the pilots that I know that have been asked back are of good caliber, with no disciplinary record. Secondly, I will work where I choose and for who I choose. Ever heard of beggars cannot be choosers? Well thats me. Incompetent I am not and as for being a traitor, please.

Please enlighten me as to who is recruiting in Europe? As far as I know it's still too early to get excited.

[FlyingAce77]

They surely are incompetent- while they expand, just today QR is laying off 600 more cabin crew while LOCP crew outside is being call back- this is what is called incompetence, when airline doesn’t know what and how is the expansion going to happen.

[Silver68]

Not sure we’re on the same page. Pilots returning from redundancy were being calling incompetent traitors.

[WrldWide]

I read that as a reference to the cullers in the office as being traitors.

[Silver68]

Fair point. Whilst I get the reference to incompetence, not sure I follow the traitor part.

[fatbus]

English not first language problem. I agree with wrldwide !

[FlightDetent]

Originally Posted by Silver68

not sure I follow the traitor part.

Crossing languages is like crossing time-zones. Would "back-stabber" do? (not involved, just a linguistic observation)

[Aviateur86]

Just to be clear, when I mentioned the words incompetent and traitors, I was referring exclusively to the management part of Qatar Airways, not to our rejoining colleagues of course.
I have no clue on how many guys were contacted in total and the fleet they were coming from but some of the pilots I was referring to, belongs to a fleet that I know very well, I've seen their training files, not to mention other "pearls" they managed to deliver, all I wanted to say is that IF this was my Company, I would start by calling the most performing ones, not the ones with problems but we all know how it works here, don't we ?
Qatar Airways, the richest company from the richest Country in the area manages to terminate pilots regardless of their seniority, experience, performance, absolutely DISGUSTING, while Emirates, Flydubai and others kept their pilots on unpaid leave with all the benefits and only made redundant those with long unexplained sick leave or similar; Unfair for some but respectful to the rest of the community.
Don't forget that QR asked some of their most senior staff on the 330 to help during the aircraft phase out then suddenly said : GOODBYEEEEEE, WE WERE JOKING !
That filthy attitude makes me call someone a traitor my friend.

[Fired600]

Emirates made pilots redundant who had had surgery, cancer and pregnant ladies, none of those are ‘unexplained’ and are disgusting. and with total disregard to seniority experience or performance. I hardly think that is respectful, and sounds pretty similar to Qatar

[fatbus]

A vast majority of EK pilots that were culled were "good guys" .

[FlyingAce77]

Resigns coming in on by Couple of B777 FD Crew that I know personally” let Dumbos sitting in Flight ops taste their own medicine.. “Enough is Enough” said one!

[gpsprimary01]

Totally right, enough is enough. With a 777 experience they will probably find a job somewhere else in a near futur. It's a positif sign if experience people resign from this company. The way they have managed this redundancies is stupid, and they have to pay for that.
I really wish to never go back there, I will if they call me now, but I will leave as soon as I find a job in Europe.

God bleu you all.

[fatbus]

"Probably in the near future " may be somewhat optimistic. I know a few but so far that's it and it's been a year .

[CDRW]

Al Baker must be steaming! To actually have a commercial advertisement that acknowledges the pilots must hurt, -and now restore the salaries must be devastating to his ego!
As was said a while ago. Enough is enough!

[immapostthis]

For the staff that work here in Qatar Airways, one should know the number 1 rule of how things are done here.... EK must do it 1st, then QA will follow....

EK cut staff -> QA cut staff
EK trying to reopen flights -> QA open flights
EK brings back salary -> QA brings back salary

Congrats to all who will get their full salaries again! With all the going on, shows some symbol of recovery.... think about it like this now... firing has stop ( Hopefully) so now you won't need to worry about your job every time you land. Expect to only get fired after your ups...

But my recommendation to all pilots.... if you get your opportunity to leave RUN! I know the money may look good here in QA but it is not worth it... I am advising all my buds on all fleets... leave and go... demand is picking up in most places except EU (EU slow pick up)... there are many openings in AU, NZ, America, Far East, Africa, Pacific, even EK if you could... you life would be much better... Let QA be a memory if you could leave it... let them deal with their problems and 'progress' without you good men and women....

Keep the post coming guys! If anyone has updates on anything else, I along with many others can't wait to read!

• Airbus Fleet
• Boeing Fleet
• Leaving Pilots
• Joining Pilots
• Cabin Crew
• Hourly Rates
• Flight Frequencies
• UK Retuning flights
• India....... let me take a second to talk about India... those need to get their together and stop having such high spikes of C19... it is unbelievable now! AND QA demands that market! What is the problem with India so much....

Anyhow.... spill the beans!

P.s. No need to get so defensive or offended here guys...

[fatbus]

"there are many openings in AU, NZ, America, Far East, Africa, Pacific, even EK" what are your sources? I have many colleagues (@1500) at EK and CZ that would love to know !

[Silver68]

So, return to full pay for existing flight deck. A 25% reduction for those returning. Not sure how long that will last..... deck crew on different pay for the same job. It does make you wonder though; most of us knew that they cut the flight deck by too many crew and it seems this was the case. Therefore, it seems obvious now that they had planned to re-hire crew on a permanent 25% reduction from the start.

How many returning crew are re-considering their options?

How many will return regardless?