EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew
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In November 2020, Emirates said it was offering some pilots unpaid leave of 12 months,
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Originally Posted by White Knight
One way of putting it I suppose
”we offer you unpaid leave, which you have to take and if you don’t return when we call u, you face disciplinary action” - such much to volunteering
Originally Posted by WB1900
Sounds funny
”we offer you unpaid leave, which you have to take and if you don’t return when we call u, you face disciplinary action” - such much to volunteering
”we offer you unpaid leave, which you have to take and if you don’t return when we call u, you face disciplinary action” - such much to volunteering
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The lack of recall for unpaid leave people is a real concern. To me, that says they won't be trying to capture/compete on market share, they are just trying to survive. There is no possible way to get everyone back flying by next Summer. Not forgetting that natural attrition rates of ~120/year continue.
The fact they still haven't put out this expression of interest form for leavers, shows it's very far from happening, if ever. Perhaps they will just switch to the unabated flow of zero-hour kids coming from the academy to fulfil future needs.
EK has always suffered from lack of investment in the right places. Not recalling crew early enough will be their most costly; forever losing experience and capacity. The long-term effects could be catastrophic.
Without re-joiners, ME3 will have a tough time ever getting grounded assets back in the air. And the longer they wait, the less will be willing or capable to return to the ME. After kicking people out their home, selling/shipping their possessions, and forcing them to re-establish themselves in a new country, with new schools, new job, new friends, back with the wider Family - good luck convincing the aggrieved Wife to go back.
There are very few decision makers in EK, and none of them are in Flight Ops. They truly think they will snap their fingers and 1000 crew will rush back and be on line with a couple months notice. And for lower salary too
The fact they still haven't put out this expression of interest form for leavers, shows it's very far from happening, if ever. Perhaps they will just switch to the unabated flow of zero-hour kids coming from the academy to fulfil future needs.
EK has always suffered from lack of investment in the right places. Not recalling crew early enough will be their most costly; forever losing experience and capacity. The long-term effects could be catastrophic.
Without re-joiners, ME3 will have a tough time ever getting grounded assets back in the air. And the longer they wait, the less will be willing or capable to return to the ME. After kicking people out their home, selling/shipping their possessions, and forcing them to re-establish themselves in a new country, with new schools, new job, new friends, back with the wider Family - good luck convincing the aggrieved Wife to go back.
There are very few decision makers in EK, and none of them are in Flight Ops. They truly think they will snap their fingers and 1000 crew will rush back and be on line with a couple months notice. And for lower salary too
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I agree.
I think EK management has already decided to dramatically shrink the airline, something they will never publicly admit. Focus is now on survival, they are willing to let QR take a big chunk of market share.
I think EK management has already decided to dramatically shrink the airline, something they will never publicly admit. Focus is now on survival, they are willing to let QR take a big chunk of market share.
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Have you not noticed the slide of hand in front of your eyes ? I.e the injecting of a narrow body fleet into the operation https://simpleflying.com/emirates-fl...t-competition/
Strange - not really, logical- unlikely, necessary DEFINITELY
EK won’t be breaking any unusual trend as of late, just take a look at what other all widebody operators are doing; CX took Tigers 321’s, SG Silks 73’s, Scoot Tiger’s 320 etc
The old supply and demand chestnut strikes again.
Strange - not really, logical- unlikely, necessary DEFINITELY
EK won’t be breaking any unusual trend as of late, just take a look at what other all widebody operators are doing; CX took Tigers 321’s, SG Silks 73’s, Scoot Tiger’s 320 etc
The old supply and demand chestnut strikes again.
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Well spotted.
Emirates have in fact started hiring again, by recalling all Fly Dubai crew through the back door.
Smaller planes, cheaper pilots.
How long till they merge them into EGHQ for briefings, and crew bus “efficiencies”?
Suddenly, it all makes sense.
Emirates have in fact started hiring again, by recalling all Fly Dubai crew through the back door.
Smaller planes, cheaper pilots.
How long till they merge them into EGHQ for briefings, and crew bus “efficiencies”?
Suddenly, it all makes sense.
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Yes, the same people who had the foresight to order 150 a380s and start a 7 runway airport at DWC.
Anyway, what I said just above makes the most sense to me. They’ve likely decided to delay the a380 recovery and replace capacity with excess FZ.
Anyway, what I said just above makes the most sense to me. They’ve likely decided to delay the a380 recovery and replace capacity with excess FZ.
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And there is another costly issue approaching to EK.
Having parked all the 380 in the summer sun, apparently for the second season, will leave some costly damage on the exterior and especially on the interior as it is melting away.
won’t be easy for them to bring those airplanes back fast or any soon.
Having parked all the 380 in the summer sun, apparently for the second season, will leave some costly damage on the exterior and especially on the interior as it is melting away.
won’t be easy for them to bring those airplanes back fast or any soon.
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Agree but not in all points
tiger, SG, silk are LCC if I am correct
if integrating an LCC and name it a hybrid airline is a very difficult.
why- because selling premium ticket to someone and than fly him on LCC seats might have a negative impact on trust in the product.
EK is very central for LR flights but not so for small airplane feeding concept because there is easily a travel time of 3-5 hours on a 737 just to get on and a LR flight to Asia, Australia or the US. Compared to Europe where 737 sized airplanes feeding flights of max 2 hours, usually just a little over an hour. That’s a huge difference for the targeted clients
I have seen that concept falling on airlines which had a lower promise on the excellence in travel experience. It can cost an airline a lot of reputation and therefore it is complicated and it’s also a danger for a long lasting success.
that concept can largely backfire on an airline
Agree but not in all points
tiger, SG, silk are LCC if I am correct
if integrating an LCC and name it a hybrid airline is a very difficult.
why- because selling premium ticket to someone and than fly him on LCC seats might have a negative impact on trust in the product.
EK is very central for LR flights but not so for small airplane feeding concept because there is easily a travel time of 3-5 hours on a 737 just to get on and a LR flight to Asia, Australia or the US. Compared to Europe where 737 sized airplanes feeding flights of max 2 hours, usually just a little over an hour. That’s a huge difference for the targeted clients
I have seen that concept falling on airlines which had a lower promise on the excellence in travel experience. It can cost an airline a lot of reputation and therefore it is complicated and it’s also a danger for a long lasting success.
that concept can largely backfire on an airline
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WB1900
You speak in future tense, whilst it’s contemporaneous in nature, and has been for sometime.
Insofar, you can book a full fare (J or Y) EK ticket (see below) and be traveling in a “LCC seat”, for the uninitiated I guess this may come as a surprise….
as Xulu rightly suggested, 380 work/jobs given to FZ LWOP crew. To rob Peter to pay Paul if you like….
You speak in future tense, whilst it’s contemporaneous in nature, and has been for sometime.
Insofar, you can book a full fare (J or Y) EK ticket (see below) and be traveling in a “LCC seat”, for the uninitiated I guess this may come as a surprise….
as Xulu rightly suggested, 380 work/jobs given to FZ LWOP crew. To rob Peter to pay Paul if you like….
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