EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew
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The solution to all their problems was staring them in the face from across the airfield.
EK have effectively wet leased half of FZ rather than bring back the a380 in meaningful numbers.
Crew that are already in Dubai with visas, current in training, cheaper contracts.
FZ has small, efficient, underused aircraft.
Extending the old 777 leases planned for retirement was the clue.
Already sharing routes, infra, codes, terminals, ground services.
It kicks the a380 another year down the road until capacity returns for both airlines.
EK have effectively wet leased half of FZ rather than bring back the a380 in meaningful numbers.
Crew that are already in Dubai with visas, current in training, cheaper contracts.
FZ has small, efficient, underused aircraft.
Extending the old 777 leases planned for retirement was the clue.
Already sharing routes, infra, codes, terminals, ground services.
It kicks the a380 another year down the road until capacity returns for both airlines.
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Is Dubai still on the UK’s red list?
How did that happen? Didn’t the EK big boss say they will be off the list “VERY SOON”?
Another 3 week wait for them not to be removed again!
Just shows how out of touch these desert clowns are with reality.
They’ve vaccinated the whole country with a vaccine that doesn’t work, they expect to just be allowed to fly in people from all of the planet? Rubbish.
How did that happen? Didn’t the EK big boss say they will be off the list “VERY SOON”?
Another 3 week wait for them not to be removed again!
Just shows how out of touch these desert clowns are with reality.
They’ve vaccinated the whole country with a vaccine that doesn’t work, they expect to just be allowed to fly in people from all of the planet? Rubbish.
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The only ones destroying careers are EK management by buying 100 of A380 which is now coming back to bite them in the ass.
Why you think the likes of AF,LH,QR, SQ and CZ are dropping them or are trying to drop them like a hot potato. The aircraft is proving too large and too expensive.
Lets face it. The A380 was dying long before COVID. COVID is simply the final nail in the coffin.
The A380 is a European mega project that failed. Airbus gambled on predictions that never came to fruitition.
As the saying goes. You win some. You lose some. In this case Airbus lost.
The only ones destroying careers are EK management by buying 100 of A380 which is now coming back to bite them in the ass.
Why you think the likes of AF,LH,QR, SQ and CZ are dropping them or are trying to drop them like a hot potato. The aircraft is proving too large and too expensive.
Lets face it. The A380 was dying long before COVID. COVID is simply the final nail in the coffin.
The A380 is a European mega project that failed. Airbus gambled on predictions that never came to fruitition.
As the saying goes. You win some. You lose some. In this case Airbus lost.
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bringbackthe80s
But these airlines are not bragging about their excellence of air travel
It is not wrong to go that path but an airline going that step becomes an airline not better than any other and will gain some normal price segment client (going in quantity) and looses premium clients
As I said how many people will fly from Europe 5 hours on a 737 to go on a LR/ULR trip after.
But these airlines are not bragging about their excellence of air travel
It is not wrong to go that path but an airline going that step becomes an airline not better than any other and will gain some normal price segment client (going in quantity) and looses premium clients
As I said how many people will fly from Europe 5 hours on a 737 to go on a LR/ULR trip after.
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just as a summary what happen in EK over the last two decades
A310 pilots got betrayed over their total hours when the 330 was introduced - especially FO lost a lot on upgrades
A330/340 was more and more driven into the short range plane and at the end who ever got stuck on it lost a lot of time towards upgrade or some captains even their command because flying the 330/340 was not good enough towards the 380
today most of the 380 pilots have lost their career and jobs
so EK has proven that the hardest hits career and job wise are going against airbus pilots
not one B777 pilot could sing a song having anywhere near the same story
Looks like an awesome management
just as a summary what happen in EK over the last two decades
A310 pilots got betrayed over their total hours when the 330 was introduced - especially FO lost a lot on upgrades
A330/340 was more and more driven into the short range plane and at the end who ever got stuck on it lost a lot of time towards upgrade or some captains even their command because flying the 330/340 was not good enough towards the 380
today most of the 380 pilots have lost their career and jobs
so EK has proven that the hardest hits career and job wise are going against airbus pilots
not one B777 pilot could sing a song having anywhere near the same story
Looks like an awesome management
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Apart from those 777 pilots that transfered to the A380 in early 2020 (because the 380 was seen then as the growth machine and 15 triples were set to go) and were summarily let go shortly after that.
Or the 777 pilots that had a prior long term sickness (how dare they) and had that held against them as they were made redundant in the first wave.
Apart from those 777 pilots that transfered to the A380 in early 2020 (because the 380 was seen then as the growth machine and 15 triples were set to go) and were summarily let go shortly after that.
Or the 777 pilots that had a prior long term sickness (how dare they) and had that held against them as they were made redundant in the first wave.
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I beg to differ! Senior captain with the company many many years. 1 surgery that was company sanctioned and necessary, no other blips, letters or warnings........ thanks very much bye bye! Think that’s a pretty sad song WB1900. The Airbus guys have been badly treated, but it’s not a competition to see who was screwed over the most.
I beg to differ! Senior captain with the company many many years. 1 surgery that was company sanctioned and necessary, no other blips, letters or warnings........ thanks very much bye bye! Think that’s a pretty sad song WB1900. The Airbus guys have been badly treated, but it’s not a competition to see who was screwed over the most.
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As I said how many people will fly from Europe 5 hours on a 737 to go on a LR/ULR trip after.
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Yeah - so of course the A380 has already returned to service with some crew recalled. The use of 737's are dependent on FZ not needing them for now, and limited to shorthaul. And will not be able to charge as much for an F pax to sit in a FZ J seat. It's a temporary solution.
With no cash in bank or revenue to secure another 100 aircraft order, EK will be stuck with the A380 for any proper expansion. Aircraft that are costing them to be grounded/maintained, and costing them with repayments, so they may as well use them where viable.
i.e The A380 is uneconomical - but if you take out the costs already spent on and around it - then it's unlikely to be better to scrap them, especially given the supply of free spare parts! Without the A380, they have a terrible hard product.
It's not the end for the Whale, but it does mean they wont need to dump capacity ahead of a global travel recovery. And that's not necessarily a bad thing for all of us in the long-run.
p.s The global travel recovery is still very much on schedule btw. Vaccine programmes continue to accelerate, more vaccines obtain approval. A recent study in Brazil, where they vaccinated 75% of a town at once concluded with dramatic results - that mass vaccination is indeed the silver bullet out of lockdown.
Businesses are even pledging "Zoom-free" days after studies about its psychological impact. Meanwhile those rich enough to travel in the first place, continue to get richer.
With no cash in bank or revenue to secure another 100 aircraft order, EK will be stuck with the A380 for any proper expansion. Aircraft that are costing them to be grounded/maintained, and costing them with repayments, so they may as well use them where viable.
i.e The A380 is uneconomical - but if you take out the costs already spent on and around it - then it's unlikely to be better to scrap them, especially given the supply of free spare parts! Without the A380, they have a terrible hard product.
It's not the end for the Whale, but it does mean they wont need to dump capacity ahead of a global travel recovery. And that's not necessarily a bad thing for all of us in the long-run.
p.s The global travel recovery is still very much on schedule btw. Vaccine programmes continue to accelerate, more vaccines obtain approval. A recent study in Brazil, where they vaccinated 75% of a town at once concluded with dramatic results - that mass vaccination is indeed the silver bullet out of lockdown.
Businesses are even pledging "Zoom-free" days after studies about its psychological impact. Meanwhile those rich enough to travel in the first place, continue to get richer.
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Sorry wasn’t meant as a competition or airbus versus Boeing, just as a summary for what was happing to airbus pilots over the years. I
know that the first wave has also hit a good number on B7 guys for no reason and it’s not more or less bad than for any other ex ek
Sorry wasn’t meant as a competition or airbus versus Boeing, just as a summary for what was happing to airbus pilots over the years. I
know that the first wave has also hit a good number on B7 guys for no reason and it’s not more or less bad than for any other ex ek
