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EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 23rd May 2021, 06:22
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Sorry if you felt that I didn't answer your question but I note in your earlier post that you mentioned qualifications and skills and I thought the example of my friend was a good example of how skills used in this job, can be highly regarded elsewhere to allow one to enhance their qualifications. Incidentally, his MBA has nothing to do with aviation.

If you feel your existing degree doesn't count for much and is outdated, have you asked yourself what can you do to enhance what you can offer a potential employer and increase your chances of employment? There will be former colleagues who are taking the time to upskill and develop any non-flying qualifications they may already have. Nowadays, it seems as if most career changes normally require some element of further training anyway, regardless of what is on your CV already.

I know it may seem like I am preaching from the comfort of a flying job but I have been made redundant before and I know it can be a lonely and frustrating experience.
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Old 23rd May 2021, 06:22
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  • Stop comparing ME carriers with those in the EU. We’ll see that even the ones that were mentioned as example will start firing now: LH, SWISS, OS, etc.. I bet the nice "pay cut to keep all on board" will not be welcomed there either ….. It’s a cut throat industry across the board and no place for misunderstood socialism.
  • If pilots really have those above average qualities we so much like to boast, then we should be quite able to readapt outside our industry. Or maybe we took our “sit back and relax” too literally? Or maybe our recent overall qualities have been diluted/recruited to lower standards and we no longer impress others that much? Pick one!
  • After the initial shockwave of dismissals, i told my dear friend who was hit, that he might be somewhat lucky after all. Being retained on a ridiculous plan, with honestly only a small chance of getting recalled, might lull you into false hopes and fading chances of being able to move on. Plus the eligible spots out there will have been filled with those former colleagues! Reading the actual bitching on ppr, compared to the beginning of the catastrophe just seems to prove my point.
  • Take the money and run, or wait silently for the eventual guillotine to fall or maybe not, but don’t point your finger at those who are still working. Three of them point in another direction.
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Old 29th May 2021, 09:05
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Still no annual results? Would have thought there would have been less to report this year.........
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Old 29th May 2021, 16:50
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They need a bit more time in the oven this year.
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Old 31st May 2021, 14:38
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https://www.thenationalnews.com/busi...p-up-1.1232440
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Old 31st May 2021, 18:10
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In November 2020, Emirates said it was offering some pilots unpaid leave of 12 months,
One way of putting it I suppose
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Old 1st Jun 2021, 13:37
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Originally Posted by White Knight View Post
One way of putting it I suppose
Sounds funny
”we offer you unpaid leave, which you have to take and if you don’t return when we call u, you face disciplinary action” - such much to volunteering
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Old 1st Jun 2021, 13:50
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Originally Posted by WB1900 View Post
Sounds funny
”we offer you unpaid leave, which you have to take and if you don’t return when we call u, you face disciplinary action” - such much to volunteering
Sounds like typical EK.. never miss a chance for a final written verbal warning.
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Old 1st Jun 2021, 15:03
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Sounds like typical EK.. never miss a chance for a final written verbal warning.
what I hear I needs much less than that for a FWVW.
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 17:14
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The lack of recall for unpaid leave people is a real concern. To me, that says they won't be trying to capture/compete on market share, they are just trying to survive. There is no possible way to get everyone back flying by next Summer. Not forgetting that natural attrition rates of ~120/year continue.

The fact they still haven't put out this expression of interest form for leavers, shows it's very far from happening, if ever. Perhaps they will just switch to the unabated flow of zero-hour kids coming from the academy to fulfil future needs.

EK has always suffered from lack of investment in the right places. Not recalling crew early enough will be their most costly; forever losing experience and capacity. The long-term effects could be catastrophic.

Without re-joiners, ME3 will have a tough time ever getting grounded assets back in the air. And the longer they wait, the less will be willing or capable to return to the ME. After kicking people out their home, selling/shipping their possessions, and forcing them to re-establish themselves in a new country, with new schools, new job, new friends, back with the wider Family - good luck convincing the aggrieved Wife to go back.

There are very few decision makers in EK, and none of them are in Flight Ops. They truly think they will snap their fingers and 1000 crew will rush back and be on line with a couple months notice. And for lower salary too

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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 18:15
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I agree.

I think EK management has already decided to dramatically shrink the airline, something they will never publicly admit. Focus is now on survival, they are willing to let QR take a big chunk of market share.
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 19:10
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Something strange is happening for sure. Allowing the airline to shrink and Qatar to take market share will be a huge loss of face.
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 20:22
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Have you not noticed the slide of hand in front of your eyes ? I.e the injecting of a narrow body fleet into the operation https://simpleflying.com/emirates-fl...t-competition/

Strange - not really, logical- unlikely, necessary DEFINITELY

EK won’t be breaking any unusual trend as of late, just take a look at what other all widebody operators are doing; CX took Tigers 321’s, SG Silks 73’s, Scoot Tiger’s 320 etc

The old supply and demand chestnut strikes again.
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 20:30
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Fly Dubai is now a hybrid airline! Not so LLC anymore ,never was but Hybrid is a new term .
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 23:13
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Well spotted.

Emirates have in fact started hiring again, by recalling all Fly Dubai crew through the back door.

Smaller planes, cheaper pilots.

How long till they merge them into EGHQ for briefings, and crew bus “efficiencies”?

Suddenly, it all makes sense.
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 23:26
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As bad as it is for all of us, the fact is that people who know more than me and you unfortunately do not see it that way
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 23:31
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Yes, the same people who had the foresight to order 150 a380s and start a 7 runway airport at DWC.

Anyway, what I said just above makes the most sense to me. They’ve likely decided to delay the a380 recovery and replace capacity with excess FZ.

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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 03:54
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I don't think it's necessarily the fault of the 380 as much as volume of seats . CX basically having the same issues and it's their 777 that are going to feel the brunt .
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 06:55
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And there is another costly issue approaching to EK.
Having parked all the 380 in the summer sun, apparently for the second season, will leave some costly damage on the exterior and especially on the interior as it is melting away.
won’t be easy for them to bring those airplanes back fast or any soon.
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 07:22
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Agree but not in all points
tiger, SG, silk are LCC if I am correct

if integrating an LCC and name it a hybrid airline is a very difficult.
why- because selling premium ticket to someone and than fly him on LCC seats might have a negative impact on trust in the product.
EK is very central for LR flights but not so for small airplane feeding concept because there is easily a travel time of 3-5 hours on a 737 just to get on and a LR flight to Asia, Australia or the US. Compared to Europe where 737 sized airplanes feeding flights of max 2 hours, usually just a little over an hour. That’s a huge difference for the targeted clients

I have seen that concept falling on airlines which had a lower promise on the excellence in travel experience. It can cost an airline a lot of reputation and therefore it is complicated and it’s also a danger for a long lasting success.

that concept can largely backfire on an airline
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