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What EK incidents resuted in firing

Old 20th Jan 2018, 06:59
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Don, I'm referring to the UAE cyber crimes law, if you are found in breach of it then yes you can go to jail. (Spreading rumor, false information, or any kind of posting that can cause damage to reputation, commercial interest yada yada)

Don't forget that we all agreed to abide by the ERM which includes keeping confidential company info just that. Half the posts on PPRuNe are technically in breach of it, just lucky for us they seem to not have the time to follow up on most of it (although they have been known to pull people into the office to give them a rap across the knuckles for posting in here, and that is just for chitchat)

if someone were to post up confidential safety info here, whether true or not, and they can identify that person, I personally wouldn't be worrying about whether jail time is a rumor or not. I'd be worrying about how to get myself out of dodge.

There is no 'whistleblower' legislation in the UAE. That's not galley talk, that is fact.
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 22:38
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Re-posted with important added words which have been highlighted.

Originally Posted by my salami View Post
JammedStab,
Does your Company release ASR info to public audience?
I don't think so...

MS
Just because your or my company doesn't release info doesn't mean that you, yourself could save many lives by anonomously posting safety critical info.

Having said that, would it change your mind? I don't think so either.

By coincidence, subsequent to the 777 crash in Dubai, it came out through the rumour mill that my company had had a similar incident prior to the Dubai crash. Nearly had a tailstrike but got away with it by inches, then the thrust was manually added. My company kept it a secret(as it involved a higher up) and I only heard about it many months later. Imagine if we on this thread ended this idea of the importance of secrecy over safety(even if the company continues the secrecy) and provided information to each other to prevent disasters. The secrecy method means we only learn from disasters with the published report as opposed to the similar incidents that pre-dated the disaster. It might have prevented the disaster at your company. I hope you can help prevent one at my company.

Seems like secrecy rules on this thread among the general population though. Perhaps they feel it is more important.
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 23:59
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Originally Posted by Odins Raven View Post
It wasn’t a Captain in the champagne in the bath incident. It was a Moldovan girl filmed by a male Brazilian GR1 (who incidentally was married to another crew member). He shared the video with friends who posted it on social media.

Whilst it was a horrible thing to do to the girl who wasn’t aware it would be posted, she must accept that when you take a bottle of champers from Biz Class and let someone film you in the bath inserting said bottle in the holiest of holes whilst saying “thank you emirates for this champagne” and naming your employers - it’s sort of hard to argue innocence.
Sounds like she’s a keeper
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 02:16
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Swing? Well, let me break it to you too. The employee's fund is 5%, EK's contribution is 12% becoming 15% after 10 years. Like for like investment, the A fund will NEVER equate to 75% of the total. And if you'd bothered to read the last post, you'd see that I do indeed acknowledge that over time, the amount itself could be substantial. That, however, was not part of the original debate. We were debating whether the Company can access funds OTHER than the A.

I don't make the policy, nor do I necessarily support it but it's important people have the facts before going off on one!

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Old 21st Jan 2018, 06:14
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Originally Posted by harry the cod View Post
Mach .888

Swing? Well, let me break it to you too. The employee's fund is 5%, EK's contribution is 12% becoming 15% after 10 years. Like for like investment, the A fund will NEVER equate to 75% of the total. And if you'd bothered to read the last post, you'd see that I do indeed acknowledge that over time, the amount itself could be substantial. That, however, was not part of the original debate. We were debating whether the Company can access funds OTHER than the A.

I don't make the policy, nor do I necessarily support it but it's important people have the facts before going off on one!

Harry
Harry,
I am sorry. When I wrote 75% I just made a quick approximation from the values in the WTW app.
So Harry, the fact is 72%, in my case.
Nothing more, nothing less.
However the 72% will increase towards 74.999999999999 % over time.
And that’s a FACT.

So people, regardless of how Harry likes to portray the issue.
If you are dismissed for Gross Misconduct, they can decide to keep up to 74.9999999% of the sum of the A and B contributions.
Just saying.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 06:36
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So, my question now then is how many people HAVE been fired for gross misconduct?

I'm sure there may well have been one or two but in most cases, is it not the possibility of losing (in Mach's case) 74.999999%, the reason why they 'offer' you the option to resign instead?

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Old 21st Jan 2018, 07:55
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I can only think one 1 in 16 years.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 08:46
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Originally Posted by Mach.888 View Post
Harry,
I am sorry. When I wrote 75% I just made a quick approximation from the values in the WTW app.
So Harry, the fact is 72%, in my case.
Nothing more, nothing less.
However the 72% will increase towards 74.999999999999 % over time.
And that’s a FACT.

So people, regardless of how Harry likes to portray the issue.
If you are dismissed for Gross Misconduct, they can decide to keep up to 74.9999999% of the sum of the A and B contributions.
Just saying.
I was told specifically by MG in Mondial who was involved in case that an American did a runner for personal reasons - Co. wanted to deduct the various costs of early exit from A fund, he retained London solicitors with offices in U.K., Isle of Man & Dubai and after two weeks of back and forth between lawyers - all Prov monies released to exiting pilot. I forgot to ask for how long he was here.

Faced with losing any or all of my Prov - it will be worth a fight.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 09:34
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Originally Posted by fatbus View Post
I can only think one 1 in 16 years.
I think the intricacies of whether it’s a firing or a forced resignation detracts from the issue that in almost all cases, the poor employee should neither have been fired, or forced to resign. It’s still losing your job, relocating your family and suffering the stress of being blamed for something that may have its origins in the ethos of the organisation, rather than the ability of the individual.

It’s a sad state of affairs, but one that likely is there to stay.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 15:47
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O R,

"So, my question now then is how many people HAVE been fired for gross misconduct? "

I was answering the question!
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 11:44
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Originally Posted by fatbus View Post
O R,

"So, my question now then is how many people HAVE been fired for gross misconduct? "

I was answering the question!
Yes, I know - wasn’t a dig at you, just felt the thread seemed to drifting into an flippant examination of English comprehension rather than the important issue at hand - colleagues’ lives being ruined by horrible, unaccountable, corrupt individuals. Back on topic...
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 09:15
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Looks like the CM1 asking the CM2 if he needs to go potty when the 20min to TOPD call is made will be made compulsory by FCI soon. We may have “THE” ASR of 2018 already.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 11:50
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Pre Descent Bladder Inspection
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 12:37
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Don, perhaps he was too busy briefing in the descent to get time to go.....?
#rootcause
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 17:03
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At this point at Emirates being let go would be a blessing. Everyone I know that has left has ended up at a better position and hell, it would be hard to go to a worse position than we are in currently.
So Odnis being sacked would actually help your career, not hinder it. I am not necessarily recommending it but it wouldn’t be the end of the world either.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 18:20
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov View Post
Looks like the CM1 asking the CM2 if he needs to go potty when the 20min to TOPD call is made will be made compulsory by FCI soon. We may have “THE” ASR of 2018 already.
Ha ha ,classic!! The best ASR ever, I'd argue. Bet he went home all chuffed and explained to his wife how he'd schooled this young fellow, and she'd respond "that's great dear, when you flying next?" Knob!!!
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