What EK incidents resuted in firing
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What EK incidents resuted in firing
I am disturbed to hear that guys from the recent JFK A380 incident have been fired instead of extra training. It seems excessive. I can understand if intentionally doing something that breaks the rules or if one damages the aircraft but this is not the case here.
I am curious what other incidents(with details of what happened) resulted in someone getting fired?
I am curious what other incidents(with details of what happened) resulted in someone getting fired?
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I'd be very surprised if they were actually fired. Being a UAE operation, they were probably pressured into resigning. That way the Company is not liable for any of their debts accumulated as a result of visa sponsorship.
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Thanks for the correction, I'm glad to be wrong about those guys. 
The idea of sacking crews to increase operational vigilance might not have the desired effect. As SOPS puts it:
The idea of sacking crews to increase operational vigilance might not have the desired effect. As SOPS puts it:
Originally Posted by SOPS
I can see crews so busy trying to comply with procedures so the don't end up sacked, that instead of doing what they are meant to be doing, flying the aircraft, they end up making a mistake because they are so worried about making a mistake...you can see where Im going with this...
In fact, I wonder if the poor guys on 207 fell to the above scenario, so busy trying to follow a procedure, so worried by the fear factor ( or as I called it..the constant Background Radiation), that the fear of NOT following the procedure, led them to NOT flying the aircraft..with the result.
The place is a complete train wreck...
In fact, I wonder if the poor guys on 207 fell to the above scenario, so busy trying to follow a procedure, so worried by the fear factor ( or as I called it..the constant Background Radiation), that the fear of NOT following the procedure, led them to NOT flying the aircraft..with the result.
The place is a complete train wreck...
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As a curiously timely example, one chap was fired for having an argument with customs about how much wine he could bring with him when returning to DXB from his layover. This was at the TBF before the TBF before the bouncy castle.
It may also hold the land speed record. If I recall correctly he was fired before crew transport dropped him at his residence that very evening.
It may also hold the land speed record. If I recall correctly he was fired before crew transport dropped him at his residence that very evening.
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It’s the Final Warnings from operational incidents that is also a real concern.
Multiple cases of guys been issued these and deciding it’s too risky to chance losing the Prov fund with another incident - so up and leave.
There are too many of these & the thread would be overloaded. It’s human error to make mistakes, but here is punishable by a deflating flawed mgt policy of punitive measures. The Co is effectively saying - we don’t want you here & the letter is the impetus for said victim to start interviewing.
The Augment firing (notwithstanding the appeal) is a real kick in the bollocz to all of the EK pilots who go out and for the vast majority do a great job. There is no reference in the B-FCTM (380 not sure) for an operational role from CM3 & 4 - yet now that seat is been held to an operational standard even though the GCAA is being deceived for FTL reasons, that said Augmenters are not on duty
This is absolutely a new and deflating low - and the effects are tangible amongst the boys & girls on-line.
Multiple cases of guys been issued these and deciding it’s too risky to chance losing the Prov fund with another incident - so up and leave.
There are too many of these & the thread would be overloaded. It’s human error to make mistakes, but here is punishable by a deflating flawed mgt policy of punitive measures. The Co is effectively saying - we don’t want you here & the letter is the impetus for said victim to start interviewing.
The Augment firing (notwithstanding the appeal) is a real kick in the bollocz to all of the EK pilots who go out and for the vast majority do a great job. There is no reference in the B-FCTM (380 not sure) for an operational role from CM3 & 4 - yet now that seat is been held to an operational standard even though the GCAA is being deceived for FTL reasons, that said Augmenters are not on duty
This is absolutely a new and deflating low - and the effects are tangible amongst the boys & girls on-line.
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I agree re the augmenting role, and as someone who does a lot of ULR I find it extremely disturbing.
What happened in CMB with the selfies? With all the Instagram accounts these days it will hardly be surprising I'm sure.
What happened in CMB with the selfies? With all the Instagram accounts these days it will hardly be surprising I'm sure.
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Ironic now that they actively encourage the selfies... so long as you're one of their chosen ones of course.
Plenty of staff in various departments fired for doing what their own "social media stars" do every day
As usual, inconsistency at its finest. Either pics on board are OK or they're not.
Plenty of staff in various departments fired for doing what their own "social media stars" do every day
As usual, inconsistency at its finest. Either pics on board are OK or they're not.
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Does EK actually fire them, or do they do as another company nearby does and put them in a position where they have to leave? A recent departure implied that his company was complicit in the death of a pilot inflight (not to mention other crew deaths over the past few years) and found himself having to get out of the country very fast.
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Originally Posted by sluggums
No one gets fired, they, ahem... 'leave'.
Any by the way, the company cannot touch your provident fund that you've contractually earned. It's not theirs to take. Regardless of why you're leaving/dismissed. They play on people's ignorance of the rules.
Any by the way, the company cannot touch your provident fund that you've contractually earned. It's not theirs to take. Regardless of why you're leaving/dismissed. They play on people's ignorance of the rules.
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Whatever the finer points on Prov Fund entitlement are, a review of recent policy changes and (over)reaction to incidents forces me to conclude that Emirates is now actively trying to drive expats out without suffering the loss of company face that would come from it making pilots redundant. Being sacked or being 'resigned' or even genuine resignations are so much easier for the EK PR team to spin. If you resign over the age of 50 are you still considered to be 'retired' by EK HR? That was one of the gems they tried when they were last trying to hide the real numbers.
Why the company would choose to behave like this is open to a certain amount of debate but none of the likely reasons bode well for expats still here.
Why the company would choose to behave like this is open to a certain amount of debate but none of the likely reasons bode well for expats still here.
