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Delta Fights Back. Literally!

Old 30th Jun 2017, 16:08
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Delta Fights Back. Literally!

Delta releases full-length video educating employees on Gulf carrier subsidies | Delta News Hub
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 16:16
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All this animosity towards the ME3 is really confusing to me when it is Delta's own management who are constantly giving away their flying and outsourcing US jobs to their Skyteam partners.

10 years ago and long long before Emirates was any kind of threat, (not that it is today for Delta, who has a totally different geographical area, but that's another argument) Delta already outsourced all the India flying that they complained bitterly about in the video, to KLM and Air France.

Today, the Narita Hub is totally dismantled after outsourcing all the Asia flying to Korean.

Where's the employee Moral outrage over that?

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Old 30th Jun 2017, 17:39
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Wait and see

I see tough times coming 😳
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 18:48
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@aeropix

The KLM/AF/Skyteam flying to India was taken over by partners with decent T&C's from countries with decent labour laws, There were no governments pouring billions in aviation.
Strong union representation. All in close concert with ALPA.

KLM/AF for example dropped quite a few US destinations, to then be serviced by DL as part of the deal(s)

+1 for the DL vid
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 21:31
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Saudia, Aeroflot, China Eastern, Aerolineas - all govt subsidized/ propped up at various times.

All SkyTeam members -

Hypocrisy at its finest.
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 21:33
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That video had me laugh a few times!!! I have never seen such scripted BS pouring out of peoples' mouths who have zero knowledge about what they are speaking.
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 22:05
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Originally Posted by pilotguy1222 View Post
That video had me laugh a few times!!! I have never seen such scripted BS pouring out of peoples' mouths who have zero knowledge about what they are speaking.
Kind of like an EK pilot recruitment ad.
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 22:08
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I'm not sure it'll matter in the long run, either way, right or wrong it will provide the Americans with the cannon fodder they're looking for.

No one will really know with 100 % accuracy if the ME3 are cooking the books or not except for maybe a dozen people!
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 22:12
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I am looking forward to the day when the ME3 are taking over the US domestic market!

I have enough of grumpy grannies offering lousy service in first class when flying with american carriers.
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 22:19
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I am looking forward to the day when the ME3 are taking over the US domestic market!

I have enough of grumpy grannies offering lousy service in first class when flying with american carriers.
I'd take the granny with a brain over the 22 year old without.

Personally, I don't share your view about giving away a home industry to foreign interests. There is no doubt the North American and Euro players need to step up their game but foreign invasion is not the answer.

Would you feel the same if it was North Korea, China or India invading the North American market?
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 00:11
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Stop whining.

Aren't there hords of north american pilots flying the shiny ME3 jets?
Pretty un-american in my opinion.
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 00:20
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Absolutely hordes of them. Hordes, they're everywhere. But a drop in the bucket compared to the 75,000+ U.S. 121 pilots.
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 08:50
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@outlaw

Stop whining.

Aren't there hords of north american pilots flying the shiny ME3 jets?
Pretty un-american in my opinion.
There are fewer than you think. I'll stop whining when you stop bowing to your Arab masters and defend the airlines you have at home. Perhaps there wouldn't be any Americans working abroad if people like you stopped giving away the industry to foreigners.

They protect their markets, the Americans should too.
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 10:51
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Stop talking pseudo patriotic crap.

American jobs really? Did you not see the part where Ed Bastian talks about buying more widebodies and going back to India if they can protect Delta - and then the video shows an AIRBUS 330!

Wtf! Way to support the 787 line,AMERICAN jobs eh?

Or the southern twanged wholesome FA "Jennifer pit in my stomach" bit.... wonder does she get that same nausea when she see the regional FA wages that do 50% of major flights in the US

Oh it's a puke inducing video alright.
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 11:40
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Originally Posted by aeropix View Post
All this animosity towards the ME3 is really confusing to me when it is Delta's own management who are constantly giving away their flying and outsourcing US jobs to their Skyteam partners.

10 years ago and long long before Emirates was any kind of threat, (not that it is today for Delta, who has a totally different geographical area, but that's another argument) Delta already outsourced all the India flying that they complained bitterly about in the video, to KLM and Air France.

Today, the Narita Hub is totally dismantled after outsourcing all the Asia flying to Korean.

Where's the employee Moral outrage over that?

Delta has unilaterally pulled out of Bangkok and Taipei this year. They stopped NWA's old Shenzhen Shekou check-in for HKG flights a few years ago. They stopped JFK-NRT flights as well. Now if you want to fly Delta to anywhere in S.E. Asia you get to go via PVG on China Eastern or ICN on Korean. First choice is a total joke of an airline and the transfer process in PVG is a nightmare. Second choice means you pray that their is an expat in the flight deck or your life is in jeopardy.

Your post shows you are one of the few who actually gets it. The U.S. legacy carriers are out-sourcing their international flying and pretty much all international growth potential to alliance and code share partners. Their management have got the morons at ALPA chasing their tails with this battle against the ME3 and Norwegian all while "the other hand" is dismantling their premier international flying and future growth potential.
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 12:57
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Is it just me, I don't think they showed a single 777 or 787 of any
ME3 airline in the video.

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Old 1st Jul 2017, 14:02
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All of Delta's future multi billion $ wide body orders are exclusively for Airbus aircraft - which supports European employment of American jobs.

They cancelled the legacy 787 NWA orders in 2016.

Let's face it - we are all in this for ourselves. My interests are < fliion.inc > and I have no issue with Delta folks being in it for Delta.inc et al. That's all fair.

But this principled hypocrisy about protecting American jobs & govt subsidies- when in reality you are supporting the opposite - is just "good ole comedy"
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 14:25
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Fighting back or not, it's catch 22 for the Americans. Should the ME3 taper their flying to America and need less Boeing aircraft with less maintenance and spare parts, then who's going to win that argument, Boeing v Delta V Government!?

Enjoy your day all

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Old 1st Jul 2017, 14:40
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Originally Posted by The Outlaw View Post
I'll stop whining when you stop bowing to your Arab masters and defend the airlines you have at home.
You can stop whining right now.
I do not work for camelfs.
I work for a european airline.
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 17:16
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Originally Posted by final06 View Post
You can stop whining right now.
I do not work for camelfs.
I work for a european airline.
Wow...you really are a piece of work!!

You work in a market that those very same Arabs are buying up daily! Ever see the big EK 380 at LHR? Ever wonder for a sec who will own the UK passenger traffic in 20 years?

And in your twisted logic, you think the Americans should just bend over....I don't think so. Even The Canadians have a set of gonads and said no.

The UK and France and Belgium will be mostly controlled by the Middle East in a few years anyway so its clear to me that your Stockholm Syndrome is alive and well.

Good luck and maybe a good time brush up on some Arabic!
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