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Delta Fights Back. Literally!

Old 1st Jul 2017, 18:17
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Originally Posted by The Outlaw View Post

They protect their markets, the Americans should too.
Europeans should do same: US pilots flying domestic operations in Europe (DHL...) out!
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 18:20
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Originally Posted by Bidule View Post
Europeans should do same: US pilots flying domestic operations in Europe (DHL...) out!
I agree...
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 19:20
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Originally Posted by The Outlaw View Post
And in your twisted logic, you think the Americans should just bend over....I don't think so. Even The Canadians have a set of gonads and said no.
EVEN the Canadians? It was "ONLY" the Canadians. The Americans did bend over and are now saying, "oh I was drunk when I said yes".

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Old 1st Jul 2017, 21:38
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Did Delta get the memo? We aren't doing so well ourselfs...
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 23:49
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The US and Europe have been subsidizing their farmers from years in order to stop their agriculture business more or less disappearing in the face of cheaper imports. This is also an illegal government subsidy. Has been argued as such for decades by third world countries. Amounts to around 25 Billion a year.

Last time I flew one of those middle East shiny jets they were owned by offshore leasing companies.
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 02:12
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This is a general attitude in this part of the world!
When they wanted to attack Vietnam they invented the Gulf of Tonkin fake story...then they invented Saddam Hussein massive destruction weapons to attack Irak...these guys keep lying to the face of the world considered as their own business field,supported by yellow wigged "president"

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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 04:00
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I think the US aviation market was blindsided by two things - 9/11 and the rise of the ME3. Good on them for fighting back! Full disclosure, ex-EK flight attendant here (1996-1999) & EK pilot (ok, wife writing this) 2005-2017. He's the Seppo, I'm the Aussie, and he's now with Delta. The video might be emotive but there's definitely some truth to it. Good on Delta for fighting back! Emirates decimated Qantas in Oz. Once they entered the market in 1996 it was all downhill from there. Does anyone who works for EK truly believe they do so without the help of Dubai Inc.? The company was a nice place to work with Maurice Flanagan at the helm, but as soon as they moved to the bouncy castle and TC took over, the rot set in. It's not a nice place to be now and both f/a's and flight deck are overworked to the point where it's unhealthy and dangerous. Are any staff below flight attendant paid as well as their counterparts in the US, UK, Australia, NZ? I doubt it. In 1996 when I joined EK construction workers, taxi drivers, retail employees, etc. were paid 750dh-1000dh a month, fast forward 21 years, I read reports that now it's about 1000dh-1500dh a month...that's what you're up against. It's NOT a level playing field. The baggage handlers, ground staff, etc. at Dubai airport are paid embarrassing sums of money because they're from places like Bangladesh, Pakistan, India, the Phillipines. And before the backlash begins, yes, I had a live-in maid for all of 2 years of the 15 that I lived in Dubai. Good on Delta for drumming up support from the government and protecting their aviation industry. I wish Australia had done the same! And, no, I'm not a Trump supporter. Once upon a time EK was a nice place to be and Dubai was a lot more fun...the bonus was you could save lots of money to send 'home'. The only thing I miss about Dubai are the many great friends we left behind. EK/Dubai does not care, and never will. Admit that as an expat we all are mercenaries, or give in to the Stockholm Syndrome. We all decide for ourselves... but don't ever think that they 'care'.

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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 07:23
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Delta is doing what's right.
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 12:08
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Buford - no one has a problem with Delta being in it it for Delta and now you wanting the same - good for you.

Its the premise that 'we are angry' because of a higher moral principle than those 'people' in the Middle East that has observers raising an eyebrow

So presumably you are on Delta forums arguing that your code shares shouldn't be subsidized or that the Egyptair baggage handlers in Cairo, Saudi catering staff in Riyadh, China Eastern cleaners etc etc be paid better western wages. I'm sure when Delta were in town - they paid their Dubai workers the market rate. That's business.

So please stop with the moral grandstanding - you say you have been in the business awhile. Then you should remember when things were bad in the US - Delta and many other Airline mgt threw thousands of pilots onto the street. Your own husband was a furloughee from an American carrier. You and many of them came here where you were able to put food on your table, put kids in private school and hire the maid. How quickly people forget.

I'm no EK fan - I'm a contractor that gets paid by EK and and that will change at a point of my choosing in the future.

But don't forget - you're hubby is a hired gun too and in the next 20 plus years of his career in big D one hopes its all uphill because if it's not - you may want to do a Google on how many times Delta has furloughed since you have beeen on the planet.
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 12:34
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Former baggage handler sues Delta over loss of job - StarTribune.com

Same same. When you see any airline management move their lips you know the scent from a cows bottom will be close behind.
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 12:53
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Will clear a few things up for filion's sake. Yes, been in the industry long enough now; was waiting on a class date with NWA when 9/11 happened - that job offer was soon retracted. Never was furloughed, made the decision to leave before that happened. Never worked the regionals. Don't spend too much time posting comments anywhere, or defending anyone or anything, in particular. Emirates worked for us but it was never the long-term plan, we were in Dubai seven years longer than we hoped we'd be. In those seven years the company changed for the worse. At the end of the day it's business, plain and simple. All carriers will do what they need to in order to survive, as will each of us.

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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 13:43
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Well said, it's business - at least we've now established that's it not about the people below:

"The baggage handlers, ground staff, etc. at Dubai airport are paid embarrassing sums of money because they're from places like Bangladesh, Pakistan, India, the Phillipines. And before the backlash begins, yes, I had a live-in maid for all of 2 years of the 15 that I lived in Dubai. Good on"

Otherwise you would'nt have stayed 15 years or taken the 46 week profit share (in your time here) which was enabled by those workers wages - toiling the ramp for "embarrassing sums"

One thing that gets me going is this 'stolen valor' syndrome that people get when they leave - "we are better people than you". You lived it, you took the cash - you own it.

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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 14:05
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A few people on here seem to be suffering from short (or selective) memory syndrome. It wasn't that long ago that Delta and the others were being bailed out for years by the US Government by way of Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. And if all else fails, just start a war somewhere and hand out all those juicy US troop carrying contracts to them. Most of the so called "legacies" in Europe grew dominant and fat by receiving Government protection and state aid for decades (some still are). How dare some pesky upstarts from "those" countries try and do the same !

"But there's abuse of labour" they cry ! Well what about the millions who cruise the world every year being served by "those nice Philippino people" and crew from other developing countries, earning third world wages and with no US labour law protection ? Of course that's different, because the biggest cruise lines are mainly US owned and headquartered, and serving mainly rich Americans. Let's be honest, the management of the US Big3 or almost any airline would do exactly the same thing in a heart beat if they could find a way.

As someone else said, Delta has been busy for years outsourcing the family silver to some great partner airlines too - real pillars of customer service and safety like Air France, China Southern, Korean Air, Aeroflot etc. Yeah right. Who needs enemies from the M.E. with partners like that...
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 14:08
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@buford

How much are modern day slaves (Mexican immigrants) earning per hour in the USA?
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 15:21
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Good luck to all. The industry isn't an easy one to be a part of but we all loved it at some stage. I'm starting to enjoy it once more and I'm thankful to Delta for that. Onwards and upwards.
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 18:15
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Which ME airline is Cutter? ��
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 18:24
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Cutter? Goat? Same same.......
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 19:28
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The solution is simple. The ME3 should agree to halt all expansion throughout the world and help Delta out on condition that Delta negotiates with Boeing to cancel all orders to ME3 for no cancellation penalties.
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Old 3rd Jul 2017, 03:50
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The lengths and tangents of the pro middle eastern carrier crowd goes to is amazing. Delta flew some soldiers during a war. It's called Air Mobility Command. It's a bid process, not especially lucrative and it causes a lot of disruptions. Rolling eyes, keep drawing those tangential arcs.
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Old 3rd Jul 2017, 03:53
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Originally Posted by final06 View Post
@buford

How much are modern day slaves (Mexican immigrants) earning per hour in the USA?
Mexico is number 14 for per capita income in the world. They're not slaves, they most certainly, without a doubt and absolutely came to the US voluntarily and can leave whenever they wish. They don't require "exit visas".....keep drawing the arcs.
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