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Bahrain, Egypt, UAE & Saudi Arabia cut diplomatic ties with Qatar. Qatar aircraft ban

Old 5th Jun 2017, 08:23
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It's not just flights: Saudi Arabia are basically starting a blockade. They're closing the land border with Qatar and banning shipping too. Qatar gets a lot of its food supply from SA so it's going to be in difficulty almost at once. This seems very likely to drive Qatar (further) into the arms of Iran – it's not obvious how that will help stabilise the Gulf region.

Qatar row: Five countries cut links with Doha (BBC News)

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Old 5th Jun 2017, 08:40
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Just got a word from DOH TWR, Ban only applicable to TFC taking off or landing KSA airports, over flying remain with no changes.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 08:45
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Nope! airspace ban 24 hrs later
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 09:31
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Originally Posted by 6000PIC
expect the U.K. to be playing both sides as usual..
Is it not Quatar that the UK have a 50 year deal with to supply liquified gas to the terminal at Milford Haven?

They definitely supply a lot to the UK, currently about 15% of UK consumption I believe.


Is it time to investigate reopening the coal mines to produce coal gas? At least then the Greens would have something other than Aviation to moan about.
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Hmmm

Libya also now.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 12:06
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The elephant in the room is surely the fact Qatar doesn't have its own FIR, rather it's under Bahrain. Saudi to the South, UAE to the East, Iran to the North. What if Bahrain FIR refuses to offer IFR services to DOH bound traffic, could the Qatari AF take over with their radars and controllers?
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 12:08
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Originally Posted by IBE8720
Yemen airspace has been Prohibited to Qatar Airways for over 2 years. Hectopascals has made 2 posts and both completely wrong.
Are you not able to use Yemeni airspace on B400 (IMKAD-VEDET) or IMKAD-RIGAM TO UB403 toBOMIX? A real pain getting into East Africa if not.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 12:19
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Do we know whether aircraft registered in other countries (neither Qatar nor the Saudi-led group) are included in the blockade? Several airlines from outside the Middle East serve Doha. Will they be allowed to overfly en route to Doha?
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 12:45
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Pretty sure the blockade will be only targeting A7 reg aircraft.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 13:00
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Just as well. The parent company of a certain London based major airline is 20% Qatari owned.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 13:22
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Originally Posted by OldLurker
Do we know whether aircraft registered in other countries (neither Qatar nor the Saudi-led group) are included in the blockade? Several airlines from outside the Middle East serve Doha. Will they be allowed to overfly en route to Doha?
"Saudi Arabia's civil aviation authority said any carrier from a third country wishing to fly over the kingdom to Qatar would need to apply within a week for special permission."

Mideast airlines halt Qatar flights as Gulf crisis escalates - Jun. 5, 2017
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 14:00
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If this takes hold, globally the repercussions will be significant, if Saudi closes the road border into Qatar, then everything unravels quite quickly, food, fuel, and the rest of the world will jitter..I think H.E. Akbar will be using a large amount of mobile phone airtime today..

On the positive side if I was the ruling family / govt in Doha I'd also be on the phone and doing whatever was needed to restore normal!

Think I might pack an extra pair of boxers for these next few trips, this could be fluid and chaotic in the coming days and weeks.
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I don't think would affect the price of oil just change suppliers World has a surplus and the US only imports from Canada.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 15:27
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Chicago Convention

A commentator on Al-Jazeera just stated that the UAE and Bahrain would not deny overflight rights to any airplane originating or destined for Qatar as this would be a violation of the Chicago Convention.

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NOTAM A0205/17 begs to differ
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 17:07
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So here's a question. Which international body has the right to declare an airspace which is over international waters a part of country X or Ys FIR? Because FIR boundries for many countries that have a coastline stretch well into international waters. Take Oceanic FIRs for example. If Qatar were to declare the airspace above the country no longer in Bahrain FIR and closed to all international traffic who could stop them? And if they then declared the airspace north of Qatar up to the Iran border belonged to them who could stop them? Why does Bahrain have a right to manage the airspace above Qatar and not Qatar itself.

Hypothetically speaking, what right does the Bahrain airforce have to intercept an aircraft flying in the Bahraini FIR but far away from the island of Bahrain. Lets say someone were to fly into Mumbai Oceanic close to the Omani FIR boundary, could the Indian Air Force intercept them? I mean sure this would be stupid as they would be endangering the lives of hundreds of pax on civilians airliners crisscrossing through Mumbai Oceanic. But legally speaking does the Indian Air Force have any jurisdiction to intercept an aircraft that far away from its own land borders?
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Military traffic is not governed by ICAO, so that whole post is pointless.

ICAO delegates the airspace to the relevant civil authority to manage. Military is not covered by this and can come and go as it pleases so long as it doesn't violate the territorial airspace of another nation (within 12 nm of the coastline), but again, that would be outside of ICAO's remit.
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Originally Posted by IBE8720
Roster changes from tomorrow.
All Saudi flights cancelled from tomorrow. Bahrain said airspace will close within 24hrs.
EK boys, better saddle up, flying might be about to increase.😉
My DOH flight coming up already cancelled
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Originally Posted by ironbutt57
NOTAM A0205/17 begs to differ
A0208/17 - FOR FLIGHTS AFFECTED BY NOTAM A0205/17 THE FOLLOWING AWYS ARE AVBL: 1-UT430 OUTBOUND VIA RAGAS 2-UR659 INBOUND VIA MIDSI. 06 JUN 00:00 2017 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 05 JUN 12:00 2017

Those are going to be 2 busy waypoints.
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An update from QR's travel alert page:

Suspension of Flights to Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt and Kingdom of Bahrain

Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Qatar Airways has suspended all flights to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia until further notice.

UAE
Qatar Airways has suspended all flights to the UAE from 00:00 UTC June 6th (03:00 Doha time, June 6th) until further notice.
Flights QR1020, QR1021, QR1054, QR1055, QR1034, QR1035, QR 1036, QR1037, QR1018, QR1019, QR1014 and QR1015 to and from the UAE on June 5th will operate as planned and remain unaffected.

Kingdom of Bahrain
Qatar Airways has suspended all flights to the Kingdom of Bahrain from 00:00 UTC June 6th (03:00 Doha time, June 6th) until further notice.
Flights QR1106, QR1107, QR1108 and QR1109 to and from the Kingdom of Bahrain on June 5th will operate as planned and remain unaffected.

Egypt
Qatar Airways has suspended all flights to Egypt from 04:00 UTC June 6th (07:00 Doha time, June 6th) until further notice.
Flights QR1302 and QR1318 from Egypt on June 5th will operate as planned and remain unaffected.

All customers booked on affected flights will be provided with alternative options, including the option of a full refund on any unused tickets and free rebooking to the nearest alternative Qatar Airways network destination.

Please check this page regularly for further flight updates.
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