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Old 1st Jan 2017, 10:29
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Good summary Flapsd.
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Old 1st Jan 2017, 14:01
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Indeed, Flapsd, good review.

It's not new however, and had been demonstrated so many times over and over again, you would think that the lessons could have been learnt.

C. Parkinson described this stupid behaviour by publishing his law in ..... 1955 already!

But as with many things, the local forces in the ME are so full of themselves that they think they are the chosen ones to reinvent the wheel and, considering their talent, finally got a square one.
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Old 1st Jan 2017, 16:40
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The late, great, Sir MF said at a pilot meeting I attended in Oct 2000 that the danger was getting fat when things were good, and then being unwilling or unable to trim the excess when the time inevitably came.

It would seem he was right. And that EK is there now.
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Old 2nd Jan 2017, 10:29
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They postponed the delivery of those aircraft, simply because they couldn't afford them - they realised they would have been unable to pay the bills, simple. So they wait for better times.
In the meantime, the supply us with the usual excuses : stiff competition (how new) volatile dollar (as always) fuel price (always a good excuse) civil disturbances and revolutions, terrorism (was never there before ?) fog in Dubai (easy)
Just strange they didn't mention the burned airframe after a "landing operational incident" - somebody will have to pay for it ...
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So EK 521 wasn't insured?
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Old 2nd Jan 2017, 12:18
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I think people are becoming dumber after reading the ****e on this thread Fliion.
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Old 2nd Jan 2017, 16:15
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Originally Posted by fliion
So EK 521 wasn't insured?
If insurance companies are not happy with what they find, guess who will have to pay ...
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Old 2nd Jan 2017, 17:28
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If Allianz set aside $300m for the Germanwings crash - and he intentionally put it in the ground - you would expect EK have got this covered.

Yet to meet an insurance Co "happy" with a claim.

But you're the expert it would appear...keep us posted.

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Old 2nd Jan 2017, 17:44
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Originally Posted by Kobus Dune
They postponed the delivery of those aircraft, simply because they couldn't afford them - they realised they would have been unable to pay the bills, simple. So they wait for better times.
In the meantime, the supply us with the usual excuses : stiff competition (how new) volatile dollar (as always) fuel price (always a good excuse) civil disturbances and revolutions, terrorism (was never there before ?) fog in Dubai (easy)
Just strange they didn't mention the burned airframe after a "landing operational incident" - somebody will have to pay for it ...
Why couldn't EK afford them? Any inside information from the finance guys?
In the current climate, those airframes are not needed. And it would be a poblem to find enough crews to bring them in the air.
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Old 2nd Jan 2017, 20:55
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Originally Posted by ExDubai
Why couldn't EK afford them? Any inside information from the finance guys?
In the current climate, those airframes are not needed. And it would be a poblem to find enough crews to bring them in the air.
There is a FT member spot on with financial predictions so far. Future sale and lease back transactions are going to be difficult with both plane types. Though global financiers are loaded with cash, world wide rates are low, something to do with less oil money in the region, EK being highly leveraged and resale market potential and prices.

EK521 may increase insurance/reinsurance rates but will have no impact on lease rates.

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On a general note nitpicking and constant application of skill worth less than free app/browser extension is getting tired.
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Old 2nd Jan 2017, 22:34
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@Notapilot I agree that the future leasing conditions for both types might change because of the difficult market situation. But stating EK couldn't afford them isn't the truth.
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Old 3rd Jan 2017, 01:46
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Thanks ExD -

You appear to be able to translate Gibberish into English. Could you apply your skills and tell the rest of the forum what this one means?

On a general note nitpicking and constant application of skill worth less than free app/browser extension is getting tired.

Thanks

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Old 3rd Jan 2017, 22:53
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Wasn't the aircraft in the EK521 crash a leased aircraft from GECAS?
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