EK and the Rolls engines
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Rather than blaming the messenger, you should blame the analyst.
A380neo Dead. A350-1000 Battered By 777X. Where Next For Airbus? Dithering Widebody Strategy? ? StrategicAero Research
He wouldn't be writing this without any motive.
A380neo Dead. A350-1000 Battered By 777X. Where Next For Airbus? Dithering Widebody Strategy? ? StrategicAero Research
He wouldn't be writing this without any motive.
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In a culture steeped in face-saving, Rolls-Royce and Airbus' chronic over-promising and under-delivering offer EK the perfect opportunity to cancel their remaining orders.
Light loads now, higher fuel coming. Can practically word the press release myself.
But I will always fondly remember the shower. And Jennifer Anniston.
Sometimes both at once.
Light loads now, higher fuel coming. Can practically word the press release myself.
But I will always fondly remember the shower. And Jennifer Anniston.
Sometimes both at once.
It's that Indian Fellow that writes for the khaleej times.
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In a culture steeped in face-saving, Rolls-Royce and Airbus' chronic over-promising and under-delivering offer EK the perfect opportunity to cancel their remaining orders.
Light loads now, higher fuel coming. Can practically word the press release myself.
But I will always fondly remember the shower. And Jennifer Anniston.
Sometimes both at once.
Light loads now, higher fuel coming. Can practically word the press release myself.
But I will always fondly remember the shower. And Jennifer Anniston.
Sometimes both at once.
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Don't know his origin or affiliation, but he is definitely part of beloved PR machine.
Some said he is a Boeing fanboy, but looking at his past penmanship like US3 should drop complaints against ME3, Indians should shutdown Air India and give all air traffic to ME3, Air India is not safe because their early build B788s having teething issues, mostly peddling Costa dwellers causes.
Hence my initial suspicion what Costa up to on A380.
Some said he is a Boeing fanboy, but looking at his past penmanship like US3 should drop complaints against ME3, Indians should shutdown Air India and give all air traffic to ME3, Air India is not safe because their early build B788s having teething issues, mostly peddling Costa dwellers causes.
Hence my initial suspicion what Costa up to on A380.
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In a way you have to think that with respect to the 380 project per se it's akin to the chickens finally coming home to roost. The airframe is very very popular with those who use it, me included, but economically it's a turkey and no matter how much little T bangs on about it in the media, nothing will change that reality.
RR build damn fine engines EVENTUALLY, look at the RB211, a bastard child that bankrupted the company that was eventually a world beater in so many respects, the Trent as an evolution of the 211 is a fine engine but it won't in its current evolution save the 380 from the beer can companies.
I've said it before plenty of times on here, the 380 is a niche airframe, it excels at congested hub airports which from an EK perspective excludes DXB, so we are talking about the usual suspects, LHR, LAX, JFK, FRA, CDG, BKK, SIN, SYD etc, everywhere else with perhaps the exception of AKL and MAN the aircraft is an ego trip masquerading as innovation.
If we concede that imitation is the greatest form of flattery in the airline game then the goat and the airline that must never be mentioned have looked at EKs model and improved upon it, particularly with using flexible and economic airframes on the right routes...380s included.
In conclusion the best thing that can be done is to use the 380 as intended, stop sending it to places where it loses money and most importantly exercise some capacity discipline by introducing airframes that suit the routes 350/787 etc etc.
Failing that you could come and work with me on my G650....but leave the 777/380 BS at the door please ����
RR build damn fine engines EVENTUALLY, look at the RB211, a bastard child that bankrupted the company that was eventually a world beater in so many respects, the Trent as an evolution of the 211 is a fine engine but it won't in its current evolution save the 380 from the beer can companies.
I've said it before plenty of times on here, the 380 is a niche airframe, it excels at congested hub airports which from an EK perspective excludes DXB, so we are talking about the usual suspects, LHR, LAX, JFK, FRA, CDG, BKK, SIN, SYD etc, everywhere else with perhaps the exception of AKL and MAN the aircraft is an ego trip masquerading as innovation.
If we concede that imitation is the greatest form of flattery in the airline game then the goat and the airline that must never be mentioned have looked at EKs model and improved upon it, particularly with using flexible and economic airframes on the right routes...380s included.
In conclusion the best thing that can be done is to use the 380 as intended, stop sending it to places where it loses money and most importantly exercise some capacity discipline by introducing airframes that suit the routes 350/787 etc etc.
Failing that you could come and work with me on my G650....but leave the 777/380 BS at the door please ����
I think the reason that EK exists is sometimes forgotten. It was based on Singapore using SQ to grow their economy. The larger the airline, the more folks came and spent money, the more the economy grew. EK is Dubai's saviour from having no oil to sell. The government tells it how many people it needs through the door, and EK add the seats and try and work out where to send them. So it has done from the beginning. It's now a hard chore as competition is close at hand and most regular haunts are served several times a day.
Timbo has no other choice but use a 380. Not because he likes it, but because no other aeroplane can carry 500 to 600 pax. If he doesn't use the large aeroplane the pax numbers can not meet the target he has been set because of slot restrictions etc. Remember that only 25% of pax stay in Dubai. The more seats you bring into the hub, the more seats you need to take out. Without the 380 Timbos masters ain't going to be happy.
PS. Sign me up for the 650 please. I will provide beer.
Timbo has no other choice but use a 380. Not because he likes it, but because no other aeroplane can carry 500 to 600 pax. If he doesn't use the large aeroplane the pax numbers can not meet the target he has been set because of slot restrictions etc. Remember that only 25% of pax stay in Dubai. The more seats you bring into the hub, the more seats you need to take out. Without the 380 Timbos masters ain't going to be happy.
PS. Sign me up for the 650 please. I will provide beer.
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Don, that's all very well, but when the parasite kills the host you are left with nothing. Singapore has always been very conservative in their targeted approach to their airline activities, they have on ever truly followed others and improved on the basic principle.
In EKs case its true to say that EK is the golden goose but hubris and greed have also ensured that those in a position to know better have over committed to a product that will kill the host faster than you can say metastasised.
Tim for all his bluster and analytical expertise has been seduced by the pot at the end of the rainbow, he along with his team have for some time believed their own cow manure, they have in part cracked the lid on the Pandora's box of getting it wrong. It will take significantly more effort to manoeuvre the titanic away from the iceberg, an effort which I think is both physically, emotionally and egotistically beyond Tim and his team of merry men.
The numbers of 380s and their variants that have been ordered are the physical manifestation of this arrogance an arrogance which if unchecked, will make EK another interesting footnote in the grave of aviation ventures.
In EKs case its true to say that EK is the golden goose but hubris and greed have also ensured that those in a position to know better have over committed to a product that will kill the host faster than you can say metastasised.
Tim for all his bluster and analytical expertise has been seduced by the pot at the end of the rainbow, he along with his team have for some time believed their own cow manure, they have in part cracked the lid on the Pandora's box of getting it wrong. It will take significantly more effort to manoeuvre the titanic away from the iceberg, an effort which I think is both physically, emotionally and egotistically beyond Tim and his team of merry men.
The numbers of 380s and their variants that have been ordered are the physical manifestation of this arrogance an arrogance which if unchecked, will make EK another interesting footnote in the grave of aviation ventures.
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Really Don, You are going to pin large orders of very large aircraft on the owners.
This is supposed to Timothy's brain child idea. Owners have no clue which plane will work, all they did is make some calls to neighborhood brothers for cheap finance and quid-pro-quo ASAs all over the world.
They could care less if Timmy bought just 100 x G650s and 100 x A319s to fly only premium pax and "make money". Funneling millions of backpackers thru a subsidized airline not adding anything to Dubai's economy, other than overloading sewer treatment systems.
This is supposed to Timothy's brain child idea. Owners have no clue which plane will work, all they did is make some calls to neighborhood brothers for cheap finance and quid-pro-quo ASAs all over the world.
They could care less if Timmy bought just 100 x G650s and 100 x A319s to fly only premium pax and "make money". Funneling millions of backpackers thru a subsidized airline not adding anything to Dubai's economy, other than overloading sewer treatment systems.
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Well-said, falconeasydriver. I think you may have hit the bulls-eye.
If the master plan is based on Singapore, it flatters Dubai enormously to try and compare itself. But then, self-flattery IS where Dubai excels. I agree with notapilot - I doubt the rulers had much input to the selection of a/c type beyond "Oooh! OOh! That one's the biggest?! Pick that one!". Nope, this one's on Tim. He's taken all the credit, he can eat the blame too. Hope he chokes on it.
dropp...what are you on about? Post #29 has to be one of the more coherent statements on the situation that's been written. Do you need emojis?
If the master plan is based on Singapore, it flatters Dubai enormously to try and compare itself. But then, self-flattery IS where Dubai excels. I agree with notapilot - I doubt the rulers had much input to the selection of a/c type beyond "Oooh! OOh! That one's the biggest?! Pick that one!". Nope, this one's on Tim. He's taken all the credit, he can eat the blame too. Hope he chokes on it.
dropp...what are you on about? Post #29 has to be one of the more coherent statements on the situation that's been written. Do you need emojis?
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dropp...what are you on about? Post #29 has to be one of the more coherent statements on the situation that's been written. Do you need emojis?
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In my very humble opinion, the 380 is not a moneymaker for anyone. It will never be produced in numbers to make it viable for AirBus, it isn't versatile enough to be used for anything other than pax and it's dispatch reliability is less than 80%(according to a Boeing rep friend of mine supporting the 777 in the gulf). The only way to make money with it, is to be purchased at a low interest rate, crew it with slave labor and fill it with cheap gas. A 74 will still be operational 50 years from today, 380's will be beer cans.
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I fly the 380.
Your 777 rep friend is simply WRONG in his assertions about dispatch reliability of the 380 and I'd expect you to be able to see the difference, I can't even believe that you'd be uninformed enough to make the claim that you just did!
The 380 has a very good dispatch rate, actually the numbers put it effectively at par with the 777, but your Boeing rep friend doesn't want to hear that some euro built POS would be par to the "Almighty 'merican bilt wonder"!
Fact is however and where the 777 does perform is in the cost per passenger seat mile...the 380 can't touch it now, that I'll give you!
As for effectivity on sector and stage length etc...lets leave that to the highly educated, effective and visionary management of those who operate copious numbers of the aircraft. To quote Timmy "we simply do things better", how can you argue with that?
Your 777 rep friend is simply WRONG in his assertions about dispatch reliability of the 380 and I'd expect you to be able to see the difference, I can't even believe that you'd be uninformed enough to make the claim that you just did!
The 380 has a very good dispatch rate, actually the numbers put it effectively at par with the 777, but your Boeing rep friend doesn't want to hear that some euro built POS would be par to the "Almighty 'merican bilt wonder"!
Fact is however and where the 777 does perform is in the cost per passenger seat mile...the 380 can't touch it now, that I'll give you!
As for effectivity on sector and stage length etc...lets leave that to the highly educated, effective and visionary management of those who operate copious numbers of the aircraft. To quote Timmy "we simply do things better", how can you argue with that?