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RoyalEnfield 19th Nov 2016 15:20

EK and the Rolls engines
 
Pretty interesting.

Emirates Says Rolls-Royce?s A380 Engines Not Up to Standard - Bloomberg

777boyindubai 19th Nov 2016 15:55

I wonder how much Timi's Knighthood will cost EK?

TURIN 19th Nov 2016 16:09

Is the RR engine for Emirates' fleet of A380s different to all the other RR engines on the A380? :hmm:

fatbus 19th Nov 2016 16:53

Sounds like a delay tactic.

natops 19th Nov 2016 20:20

@fatbus I agree

notapilot15 20th Nov 2016 01:42


Originally Posted by 777boyindubai (Post 9583492)
I wonder how much Timi's Knighthood will cost EK?

I would say north of $6B/yr

Marketing - $3B/yr
20 x A380 wings
50 x Trent 900s
Repatriated expat income

TwinJock 20th Nov 2016 03:07


Emirates switched supplier on the understanding that Rolls would help develop an upgraded and re-engined “Neo” version to help pare operating costs and extend the model’s lifespan.
Another gamble by TC that will cost them dearly.......

glofish 20th Nov 2016 04:10

4 engine, 4 struts, 3 spools ....... all fascinating, but not economic

The bedouin father telling his son:
"Your 8 cylinder Stretch-Limo is beautiful, but useless. People book it for peanuts, drive around aimlessly and only get drunk at the bar. Look at my tractor in contrast, only 4 cylinders, but it produces food on the table."
"You're so right father" the bedouin's son replied and went out to buy 5 even more useless 8 cylinder Ford 150's (seemingly the new ME standard .... :ugh::ugh::ugh: ).

777boyindubai 20th Nov 2016 07:01

Timi got his gong in Jan 2014 for “services to British prosperity and to the aviation industry”.

Rolls (who make crap engines) won the EK contract in April 2015

Go figure....

P7xkk 20th Nov 2016 07:03

Matey peeps, the problem is that EK ORDERED another 50 a/c. The first tranche of are 510t variants, for which the good old T900 can produce reliable oomph @72k lbs.
The remainder of the ORDER are 575t a/c, and when you turn up the wick on the T900 to 77k lbs of oomph, longevity on-wing is somewhat reduced.
Will RR fix the issue? Who knows. Will any fix be quick in coming? Likely not.
When i say ordered, i mean firm orders, not options.
How to get out of that pickle? Well, who knows.

Dropp the Pilot 20th Nov 2016 15:32

Is it possible Sir T finally figured out what every other airline executive already knew: in order for the A380 to be profitable the engines would need to run on water not jet fuel? In that case the RR would certainly be unsatisfactory.

He's a little late to the party judging by the order book.

Emma Royds 20th Nov 2016 18:15

Daily Telegraph - Fresh allegations Rolls-Royce was involved in corruption to land contracts

It would sadly seem as if the glory days for RR are history.

TURIN 20th Nov 2016 18:44


Rolls (who make crap engines)
Bit like proon keyboard warriors who make unsubstantiated carp remarks.

pax britanica 20th Nov 2016 18:54

Rolls make crap engines-true sometimes they have done (though its harsh word to use) same as GE and PW have at times made engines that were well below par . not unknown in highly specialised high tech industries where pushing the envelope is standard modus operandi.

And as for RR bribing people shurely not, they are British and only foreigners do that sort of thing.....

PGA 1st Dec 2016 12:25

Rumour has it outstation engineering training courses are cancelled.

Don't think we'll see the RR engines soon if none of the outstations are properly equipped to handle them.

Eau de Boeing 1st Dec 2016 12:53

There's a fine example of RR engineering parked outside the hangar at the moment. SQ 380 had an engine failure and dived into Dubai.

halas 1st Dec 2016 16:03

Have a look ar what ANA are doing with their RR engines on the Nightmare-liner.

halas

notapilot15 1st Dec 2016 16:49


Originally Posted by pax britanica (Post 9584494)
And as for RR bribing people shurely not, they are British and only foreigners do that sort of thing.....

I am sorry, could you elaborate on this.

This is from Guardian/BBC investigation


Rolls-Royce plc, Britain’s leading manufacturing multinational, hired a network of agents to help it land lucrative contracts in at least 12 different countries around the world, sometimes allegedly using bribes.
https://www.theguardian.com/business...ajor-contracts

Talking tough and having an SFO doesn't imply British are not into giving bribes.

There are two clear examples of involvement with one country.

Augusta Westland was caught bribing and when India cancelled the AW101 order. Am I wrong? Should we blame it on Italians.

RR returned illegal agent commission to Hindustan Aeronautics Limited to save the deal, because standing tall with tight lips didn't work with AW101 deal.

White Knight 1st Dec 2016 16:53


Originally Posted by notapilot15
Quote:
Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
And as for RR bribing people shurely not, they are British and only foreigners do that sort of thing.....
I am sorry, could you elaborate on this.

Woooossshhhh. Guess that went over your head there!

notapilot15 2nd Dec 2016 12:24

Sorry if I missed the sarcasm.

BTW looks like hounds are unleashed on Airbus. This is going to be an Airbus issue not RR issue. Troll Army claiming entire Airbus WB strategy is flawed!!

Do EK really need 77k lbs thrust? Their flights are feather light.


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