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Stay away from Emirates. (EK)

Old 30th Jul 2019, 00:41
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Yeah that sounds like fun itís such a good read
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 06:49
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Originally Posted by arena1 View Post
Yeah that sounds like fun itís such a good read
i try to be nice
presently itís about 5 years
but if u are sick for too many days over a Periode of 2 years - therefore your attendance record is bad - you will be delayed - that is also depending on which fleet you are on. Further it does not matter - since recently - if itís certified or not - your attendance is lacking behind
that may cost you up to 2 years
if you are in a lucky position to get more checking than training in your upgrade your are faster out than you blink with an eye - waiting for a re-attempt 24 month plus u have done the process again which leads to more likely 3 years waiting
In regards to the airplanes arriving ( new types ) if you are on the wrong fleet it will cost you easily 2 years if somebody in the management makes a clear und understandable deceision over how much experience is needed to operate an airplane
so all together if I are lucky itís 5, if not than accurately said somewhere between 5 and 12 years

a little hint on the side: if you are unwilling to read threads here - suggested ones - between the lines, you will have difficulties to read EK documentation as all the info you need is spread out over several manuals which are not liked and update together
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 08:39
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WB1900 I really appreciate the detailed info you provided, I understand it is frustrating repeating info on here but sometimes reading through this stuff is as fun as chewing glass.

regards
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 10:11
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Arena 1 - you'll do fine as an FO at emirates, the new type of "millennial" pilot, one who expects everyone to do the work for him rather than doing some research himself!
If you'd tried to read through some of the threads but still didn't understand then Ok, but from the sound of it that was too much like hard work!
Thinking about coming half way around the world to join a company you have no idea about and yet can't be bothered to read about it!!!!
Duh, as I said you're just the type EK are looking for!!
PS And getting an upgrade with your attitude - unlikely!
See you at EK soon no doubt!!
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 11:50
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Some people cleary have too much time on their hands and nothing better to do other than troll PPRuNe.
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 15:22
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After reading one disaster story after another at EK over the last couple of years which includes, parking aeroplanes because they are short of crew, crew leaving due to fatigue, Nazi style management, attendance records holding people back from upgrade even if they were approved by the company for sick leave, imprisonment for not paying back a bond which has also since increased form 3 to 5 years....

One simply has to ask why anybody in their right mind would join this outfit? Surely with all the parked aeroplanes and loss of flight crew EK must really be rethinking their hiring and employment strategy as this one is just not working and the word has spread that its a rubbish job and the tax free money of yesteryear is not what it used to be..

I really dont see how much longer EK can keep this lunacy going for!!
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 16:11
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Pif Paf thanks for your invaluable advice, bite me
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 18:06
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Why people still come

They still come because they come from places where Dubai is seen as a paradise.
and it is indeed paradise if you come from some places in India or Bangladesh, just to name a couple of places.
this doesn't mean that I regard Dubai as paradise compared to India or Bangladesh, quite the opposite.
But, from a professional pilot point of view, and management style point of view (this I don't have a direct experience, just heard) Dubai is a great improvement.

My idea.

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Old 30th Jul 2019, 19:06
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Arena1 ,you'll fit in just right . Typical !
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 20:51
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Pif Paf thanks for your invaluable advice, bite me

This from the guy who was asking about upgrade..... PMSL
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 22:32
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What more do you expect nowadays, EK attracts only the best candidates.
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Old 31st Jul 2019, 04:34
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Originally Posted by arena1 View Post
WB1900 I really appreciate the detailed info you provided, I understand it is frustrating repeating info on here but sometimes reading through this stuff is as fun as chewing glass.

regards
arena1

You want to commit you and your family to 5 years plus of your lives in airline and foreign country, yet can’t be bothered to spend an hour researching and reading?

It’s Ok for others to repeat themselves ad-infinitum so you don’t have to ‘chew glass’, whilst they have to ‘chew glass’ repeating themselves yet again for you.

You also expect the command quickly again, without putting in the work? You then get upset at peoples comments as to your laziness, not really a great start is it.....
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Old 31st Jul 2019, 08:12
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Originally Posted by Freedomfromopression View Post
Itís only fair to share experiences with potential new hires at EK. Itís a long prison sentence if you realise after 1year that you made a mistake. I know of several people who are still at EK and describe their feeling as being on a permanent heightened state of anxiety and pressure pot of anger.

When they see the cost of a jar of pasta sauce costing 5 or 6 times more than the price in the UK you start to see exactly where your money goes in UAE. Cellblock H or meydan south and the regular problems, the list just goes on. I wish I had never made the move away from UK. I have had 3 pay rises in just over 12 months and a big fat bonus yesterday. You donít even get the contractual pay rises at EK.....the ones written in black and white! Am I lying at EK guys???? Let the newbies know the truth at least
That's quite ridiculous, whoever does the shopping. They are shopping at the wrong places. Ask your mate/colleague or whoever to go shop at Carrefour, Lulu. They can get pasta sauces there which are cheaper/on par with UK prices depending on the brand they choose.

The other bits in your post, well hope it all works out for you.
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Old 31st Jul 2019, 08:38
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Originally Posted by Freedomfromopression View Post
Having left EK and now settled into my new Ďlovelyí home I cannot believe how happy and free I feel. I wasted 7yrs in Dubai, and came away with nothing but anxiety over sim checks, road rage, reduced crew ULR flights, delirious sleep habits, planning of vacations and general BS! My pension fund has grown at twice the rate of EK (and no threat to take even a penny from me if I leave tomorrow!). I am now part of a company that has respect for every employee. I literally feel free to live! The bags under my eyes have gone! I have more excess cash in my pocket each month than I did at EK! Anyone that says that the EU only offers the likes of FR is wrong! The gulf is losing the last bit of appeal. Good luck to the die hards
Is that down to improved spending habits? Because looking at it at face value - you had tax free salary + accommodation paid. In your home country you would have to pay taxes + mortgage (unless you're mortgage free). Looks like you've probably looked at your spending habits and worked on it. Or maybe someone else is funding you ancillary spends and hence more money in your pocket ?
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Old 31st Jul 2019, 13:13
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Off thread a bit. A friend just sent me a video of the Norwegian pilot crew rest on their 787s. Even a so called LCC, can have the proper Boeing crew rest. Makes EK look like a complete joke.
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Old 31st Jul 2019, 14:02
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Smile

Originally Posted by felixthecat View Post
You also expect the command quickly again, without putting in the work?
He did not say or imply that anywhere.
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Old 31st Jul 2019, 21:30
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
. Even a so called LCC, can have the proper Boeing crew rest. Makes EK look like a complete joke.
Everything about EK is a complete joke. The salary, the hours, the accommodation, and of course Dubai.
What type of pilot would consider this laugh sheet? I know the ones I am flying with.
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Old 1st Aug 2019, 08:59
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To be fair, not everything about EK is that bad. Compared to legacy carriers it might not hold up, but those represent about 10% of the industry. Then there are the Chinese outfits Ö.. but compared to the rest, EK can hold some ground.

For the newbees or wannabees I would mention two problems:

One are the hours. The net ones, the ones on the back side of the clock and the ones with excruciating time zone differences. Itís only when you no longer fly them, that you realise how much time of your life they actually chewed away from you.

Two is the polluted air of Dubai, very rarely mentioned here. Again, it is only when youíve been away in a cleaner environment for a while, that you realise how much better you sleep, how much less you snore (the wifey thanks you) because your throat and nose are more sane. The constant smog and sand-dust in the UAE take a toll. If compared to Indian or Chinese cities, Dubai may seem almost clean (think about that when opting for a Chinese outfit). But try living in an average, smaller European or American city for two months. Itís literally an eye opener.

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Old 1st Aug 2019, 19:25
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[QUOTE=glofish;10533701]To be fair, not everything about EK is that bad. Compared to legacy carriers it might not hold up, but those represent about 10% of the industry./QUOTE]

EK is bad in every capacity and not by a little bit. By a lot!
Dont you think youíre the top 10% of the pilot group? So why shouldnít you be top 10% of pay and working conditions?
The two reasons you mentioned for not joining EK are huge, and thatís just the tip of the iceberg. There are many more valid reasons not to join.
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Old 1st Aug 2019, 20:41
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You are not top ten, and OTOH you are paid in the top 10 bracket. Those are not the issues, just saying.
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