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Old 10th Oct 2016, 21:48
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Originally Posted by fliion View Post
Los

Spike is correct.

My 'Source?' reference WIRT:

"And the schooling has dropped to 60K for secondary...

Have heard that all contracts for pre existing employees are being brought into line with the advertised."

I call BS
Yeah, I forgot ESA was adjusted in 2015 as well.
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Old 10th Oct 2016, 22:22
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Employee handbook is the source. It shows the recruiting site hasn't been updated.
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Old 11th Oct 2016, 00:41
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Guys JA cancelled the FleetForums because of a new enhanced package that he wanted to present to us... so don't worry, this is all false...

(Read also my sarcastic and sad tone...).
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Old 11th Oct 2016, 03:44
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If "pay review 2014 by AS is still standing the figures on web site are wrong:
Accomodation:
FD 06. 14325 per month ( previously 13320,as reported on web site)
FD 07. 16075 per month ( previously 14950, as reported...)

ESA
primary 46000 ( previously 42K)
secondary 70000 (previously 63k)

As for the salary it lt would appear they introduced a "f*****g" level 2 which would locate new joiners on a pay scale higher then a 6/7 years senior captain/fo without "certain" wide body
experience (what about md11,76?)
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Old 11th Oct 2016, 04:37
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not correct..with pay review june 2016
Fo 55 aed per hour
CAP 75 aed per hour

the base change with seniority and year of joining....
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Old 11th Oct 2016, 04:42
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The 2014 Housing is correct

14325/16075

The Edu went up in 2015
47500/72500

The level 1/2 number is inclusive of 85 hrs flying pay @ 55/75 = 4675/6375 so base would be

Level 1 Capt
36320
Level 2 Capt
40890

Level 1 FO
25450
Level 2 FO
30405

But if reduced schooling and housing is correct, then a new FO/Capt would be worse off on those two points by (based on two kids in high school, living out) of;

FO 37060pa

and

CAPT 38500pa

Clear as mud?

The shenanigans continues
ps 'above twas a quick back of envelope - open to correction
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Old 11th Oct 2016, 04:48
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my bad..i missed the ESA raise in 2015
85 hrs 4675/6375

..i say again..a 6/7 years capt/fo already in the company would get less then a new joiner level 2..
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Old 11th Oct 2016, 04:51
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These are the A+ scales to try and attract guys who have no kids or the kids have finished school. Just think about it, as soon as ones the kids have finished school, your package gets reduced quite substantially!
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Old 11th Oct 2016, 04:52
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Can anyone provide the most recent base for new hire FO/CAPT monthly pay before these new scales were advertized.

That would give a clearer picture.
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Old 11th Oct 2016, 05:30
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Base pay before was circa 29000 dhs, so for a new FO on level 1 we're talking about a circa 4000 dhs decrease per month in base pay and 10,000 dhs decrease per year in housing....

Does this mean even current new joiners will have to fall under this salary decrease. 4000 dhs decrease per month is pretty sad, that makes about 48,000 dhs less per year.
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Old 11th Oct 2016, 06:29
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Maybe they are reacting to the recent QR roadshow in Dubai. The point they are missing is QR is attracting new joiners because of improved work schedules. I have a few friends in Goat airline and they confirm the 777 schedules are pretty decent with plenty of days off. Apparently they have even introduced a new rule, where flight deck have to get a string of four days OFF at least once per monthly roster.
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Old 11th Oct 2016, 08:09
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So, am I correct you get paid less if your Engrish speaking is not as good
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Old 11th Oct 2016, 08:49
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Do the level 2 hour requirements match any upgrade requirements? Wondering if they are recruiting experienced FO's for a fast upgrade, especially considering the fairly low normal requirements for a wide body position.

Being only 200 hours short, and the /AED exchange rate at the moment, this is getting quite tempting, so long as the housing and education are at the current level. Throw in an accelerated shot at command, and I might just apply.

PS. Don't believe everything you hear about the rosters at QR. I have a lot of friends there, and their rosters look brutal. Granted they get 4 days off in a row, but still only manage 8-10 for the month on average. (Boeing fleets)
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Old 11th Oct 2016, 09:04
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There's no shortage of experienced FOs at EK right now
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Old 11th Oct 2016, 09:24
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Being only 200 hours short, and the /AED exchange rate at the moment, this is getting quite tempting, so long as the housing and education are at the current level. Throw in an accelerated shot at command, and I might just apply.
Where are you working at the moment. Don't buy yourself a one-way ticket out of the UK. You'd never get back once Brexit is triggered. A lot of guys are on the way back and opportunities will be few and far between - especially if the worst happens with Monarch this week :-(
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Old 11th Oct 2016, 09:37
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Common Good cat. You will never keep a Brit away from the sun and sand....and there is sooo much sand....and sun...did I mention the sand?
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Old 11th Oct 2016, 09:46
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Over the last two/three years that I've had occasion to review the EK careers web site, there's been NO change except for the advertised pay and experience requirements. Only the "minimum experience requirements" and the "cash elements" have been reviewed. I don't think the FAQ section is a reflection of the package being offered--its outdated
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Old 11th Oct 2016, 14:36
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" We review our salaries regularly to make sure we remain competitive. "

The funniest part...once in almost 10 years...
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Old 11th Oct 2016, 14:42
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77FB, as the matter of fact you can't sue any ME3,I believe. as the law is unilateral and biased in the desert. Correct me if im wrong.
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Old 11th Oct 2016, 15:30
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" We review our salaries regularly to make sure we remain competitive. "

Flyboy, the bit they leave out is competitive with the lowest possible amount we can get away with and pilots can never earn what DSVP Catering can earn.....

Keep on rowing.....
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