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Old 3rd Jun 2016, 00:06
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Been There Done that.

Well, this decision is Entirely personal and depends on what stage of life you are at and what you actually want out of life. Also remember the current state of the airlines might change in the future once you join them. Also be sure to read the disclaimer at the bottom !

Following are the facts I learnt from my personal experience / from people who have experienced in these airlines. I have given interviews of all the three.

A bird in hand is worth two in the bush. So first of all make decisions out of the interviews you get through. It's not easy and it's not tough either.


Presuming you are In your early twenties. It's is a good airline to work for considering the fact that you have no widebody experience.
You fly to every nook and corner of the world and log plenty of widebody jet time. But time to command is very subjective and it makes no sense to leave after 5 year contract with no command. So you goto picture yourself in the desert for Atleast a decade. It's closer to your home too. Money is decent. You can only save a lot if you compromise on life style.

Eva Air

There is a South American pilot who joined 16 years ago, settled in TPE with family, including his son(who just joined on 777 as FO). Taipei is a nice place. Command might take much longer than the promised time, as lot of cadets will get past you from day 1. As your seniority is only counted half in the first contract. Eva air is a good airline with good safety record. You get 8 days / 16 days only if you stay in the company bachelor pad. If you take accommodation allowance (25k NTD) , you will be considered as local and no days off in a row. so you'll have to spend even more to get the days off with family. My experience with the captains there was good. They seem to be treating their / expat FOs well. Again there are bad apples everywhere. Here you goto pay income taxes too 7-21% depending on days you stay and dependants. Taipei is a beautiful city with plenty of things to do.


Istanbul is a great place to live out of all the three imho. Great weather , plenty of things to do and it's almost Europe. But the political scenario & Turkish economy is a big question mark. Yes like Emma said they have a bad safety record and not a great flight deck environment. I heard they give upgrades faster to the locals. For expats again a big question mark. And the language is a big issue too. Happen to see the way simulators are conducted there, Not bad at all.

I would say 1.EK 2.BR 3.TK

And why not QR & EŁ ?

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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 11:19
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Have things changed considerably in EK, QR and EVA since the last discussion or post. I have heard their have been considerable improvements at EVA where as the ME3 seem to be going backwards.
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 11:37
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Originally Posted by B-HKD

Ex. EK B777 Captain.
nice gig...maybe you could even time share with your twin.
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 13:50
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No one is worried that EVA is not ICAO?
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 22:18
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Why would they ?
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 23:20
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Logbook hours at EVA still count but the license and type rating may not. I believe QR will accept Taiwanese qualifications. Look at getting the rating onto your original license ASAP, you may need to pay for a SIM session but at least you are covered if you leave.

The Turkish Lira has fallen like a brick this year, a very unstable currency to be paid in without any exchange rate protection scheme. Terrorist attacks a big concern, many former colleagues who went there have since left because of this. Otherwise, not a bad job for a Captain, F/O maybe not so good.

Emirates will work you into exhaustion on the B777, bit easier on the A380.
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 13:38
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[QUOTE=atlas12;9391587]I am in the same situation as you hammer. I have 6000 total, 1000 on the NG. I was always very keen on EK but they fly 99hrs a month without fail, all layovers 24 hrs, which is completely unsustainable. My current company we fly 80hrs and that is enough for me.


You can't go completely on what's on Pprune.

If you're interested in EK apply, come out to Dubai, have a mini break on the airline and have a look around, catch up with friends and experience just how expensive the beer is, the interview is as it is.

Re the hours, 99 hours every month, not true, they will roster you just under productivity,

Anyone who says Dubai is expensive.
Yes and No but getting more expensive.
Depends on where you spend your money and on what. Bars Brunches fast cars leaky boats etc you will go through it.

There are some pretty pi$$ed off people who post on here and its justified, the airline culture can be brutal if you fall on the wrong side of it, its unforgiving and that can be no fault of your own, however it was said of a manager now gone, if you have a problem he's good, if you are the problem, he's really bad, same could be said for dealing with Fleet.

There are over 4000 pilots in the company, most of whom don't post on here, I don't know if they're happy or not.

For a young guy I'd recommend it.

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Old 6th Oct 2018, 13:43
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Most are not happy from everyday conversations at work.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 00:37
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Originally Posted by thatwasclose
Most are not happy from everyday conversations at work.
Yes. From groundstaff to skipper.
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