Emirates DEC
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From: Tatooine
Direct Entry Capt B777/A330
They seem to be interested in applications that are in the 55+ age group , as most of those applicants have near retirement experience, And its a good short term solution for them that will cover them for next 5-7yrs.
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From: Tatooine
Short term pain = long term gain
If EK is successful in attracting the right applicants DEC then it's gonna be short term pain to get the DEC stabilized but once done they will have established a system of getting command ready pilots for the foreseeable future.( long term gain)
EK would end up saving a lot of time and money in not having to upgrade their own FOs , the current FOs better start looking elsewhere for a PIC upgrade.
All the best !
EK would end up saving a lot of time and money in not having to upgrade their own FOs , the current FOs better start looking elsewhere for a PIC upgrade.
All the best !
short flights long nights
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Maybe, if EK treated the people they had/have with just a little bit of respect, instead of answering every request with the answer "if you don't like it, you can always leave", they wouldn't have a recruitment/ DEC requirement in the first place, A320CapDav.
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Maybe, if EK treated the people they had/have with just a little bit of respect, instead of answering every request with the answer "if you don't like it, you can always leave", they wouldn't have a recruitment/ DEC requirement in the first place, A320CapDav.
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I have always felt that the DEC policy was not right for the long term benefit of Emirates pilot body, however, there have always been DECs hired here. Every pilot joining in the last 15 years has known that fact when they joined. Regardless of your experience or abilities Emirates will always do what's best for Emirates. You have my sympathies but you can't be surprised.
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From: Tatooine
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Well they don't care as long as the airplanes fly . That is evident by the fact that they are willing to take atpl holders and put them on a right seat of a b777 /330 as for DEC , well I guess be prepared to fly ur butt of but for people flying a narrow body getting the oppuruntiy to fly the left seat of a widebody has become seldom. QR only takes people with widbebody experience for their 330/777 and the other airline we don't speak off I'm not sure. But joining as an FO would be a foolish decision for any pilot. With DEc, command upgrade time would be a longer wait on the right seat and as I sad if the DEC program works well then the FOs need to go elsewhere for command.
SOPs and keepirealok hope you get my perspective clearly. I also personally feel the entire EK interview process very lacking. It's all about putting in a big act on getting through. It's about how well you can lie to be honest that I say that is I know of 2 pilots who had major CRM problems and lacked basic flying knowledge who are now flying on the right seat at EK and keep complaining about how bad things are and why they are not getting their command upgrade. Sad to say but yes EK has become a big dump with all the good pilots leaving .
Looks like Qr is the best gig in the Middle East for a career point of view.
SOPs and keepirealok hope you get my perspective clearly. I also personally feel the entire EK interview process very lacking. It's all about putting in a big act on getting through. It's about how well you can lie to be honest that I say that is I know of 2 pilots who had major CRM problems and lacked basic flying knowledge who are now flying on the right seat at EK and keep complaining about how bad things are and why they are not getting their command upgrade. Sad to say but yes EK has become a big dump with all the good pilots leaving .
Looks like Qr is the best gig in the Middle East for a career point of view.
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A320CaptDav
DEC's will have little to no impact on upgrades simply because of the numbers. Overall, I'd be surprised if there are more than 30 who join. That's a months worth of F/O upgrades. It's a poor policy and one which nobody agrees with other than management and DECs themselves. As a previous poster has already stated, the policy has been around for as long as the airline. It's a means to keep the planes flying when planning has got the numbers wrong which they do with incessant regularity.
As for the idiots who made it through, well, that's going to happen in any airline and we have a few for sure. However, recruitment generally do a good job and most of the guys here are a good bunch. Furthermore, getting in is just one filter in the many these individuals will encounter on the road to command. Quite a few will be flagged along the way as unsuitable and will have remedial HF sessions before being considered for command. For some, the penny drops whilst others may remain in the right seat until retirement, voluntary or otherwise. DEC policy removes those extra filters but is tough. Ask those that get through the course, it's no walk in the park for sure.
...and yes, without doubt ther're are still one or two rare cases of 'unsuitables' slipping through the net....again, as in every airline no doubt!
Harry
DEC's will have little to no impact on upgrades simply because of the numbers. Overall, I'd be surprised if there are more than 30 who join. That's a months worth of F/O upgrades. It's a poor policy and one which nobody agrees with other than management and DECs themselves. As a previous poster has already stated, the policy has been around for as long as the airline. It's a means to keep the planes flying when planning has got the numbers wrong which they do with incessant regularity.
As for the idiots who made it through, well, that's going to happen in any airline and we have a few for sure. However, recruitment generally do a good job and most of the guys here are a good bunch. Furthermore, getting in is just one filter in the many these individuals will encounter on the road to command. Quite a few will be flagged along the way as unsuitable and will have remedial HF sessions before being considered for command. For some, the penny drops whilst others may remain in the right seat until retirement, voluntary or otherwise. DEC policy removes those extra filters but is tough. Ask those that get through the course, it's no walk in the park for sure.
...and yes, without doubt ther're are still one or two rare cases of 'unsuitables' slipping through the net....again, as in every airline no doubt!
Harry
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I have been told the recent DEC thing is a spoof. They are trying to get people into the MENTALITY of moving to the sand and then offering FO positions. There has been 2 offers of DEC and the rest given/offered 777 FO jobs and the initial take up is good.They learnt last time that it upset too many people. Waste your time if you want but, be prepared for a lower offer........
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A320CaptDav
Permanent downgrade
Well if they are saying your not fit to fly on the left seat then that means your gonna be a permanent F/O
Permanent downgrade
Well if they are saying your not fit to fly on the left seat then that means your gonna be a permanent F/O
There are no absolutes in this business compadre!