Emirates DEC
Joined: Aug 1998
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From: the ridge where the west commences
About six months from now I will be outbound from DXB for the last time, never to return. I have promised myself that once the wheels are up on that flight I will never on any occasion think of EK again.
My wife and and I are practicing the drill now. If I ever do mention EK again in any context of complaint or umbrage she is to slap me on the back of my wizened head and say "Remember what happened to SOPS!"
My wife and and I are practicing the drill now. If I ever do mention EK again in any context of complaint or umbrage she is to slap me on the back of my wizened head and say "Remember what happened to SOPS!"
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 328
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From: Dubai
Only thing forced Vfe Next is you being forced to stay at Emirates. Where are you going to go?
SOPs is living the life we all envision and he did it on his terms. Stop the B.S lies about how he was forced out. Not so.
Do you think what the company is doing to us is okay? Now the DECs!
Think of the logic where a failed interviewee wasn't good in the past but is now. What changed? We all know Emirates will not attract any widebody captains or anyone that has heard about what is going on here.
SOPs is living the life we all envision and he did it on his terms. Stop the B.S lies about how he was forced out. Not so.
Do you think what the company is doing to us is okay? Now the DECs!
Think of the logic where a failed interviewee wasn't good in the past but is now. What changed? We all know Emirates will not attract any widebody captains or anyone that has heard about what is going on here.
Joined: Jun 2001
Aviation Qualifications: ATPL
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From: Brit living in Malaysia
The ad is misleading nakbin - deliberately so I am sure.
The 42015 Dirhams that is quoted includes 85 hours of flying allowances. But it would be very easy to interpret it the way that you, and no doubt many candidates, have.
The 42015 Dirhams that is quoted includes 85 hours of flying allowances. But it would be very easy to interpret it the way that you, and no doubt many candidates, have.
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 331
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From: LHR
Disappointing? Yes. Inevitable? Yes. However(!) having just witnessed what happened to a couple of mates of mine who we're originally told of lengthy delays after interviewing I'm almost inclined to believe him. Almost.
Joined: Apr 2001
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From: overthere
FOs resign because of this? I doubt that. They all joined knowing it happens, and DECs have been advertised on the 330 for ages.
It should be no surprise that the company cares not about employee progression.
It should be no surprise that the company cares not about employee progression.
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 21
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From: somewhere...
with regards to satisfying manning issues, why do they not focus on how to stop current experienced valuable pilots from leaving, rather than only concentrating on recruiting?
concentrate on retaining!!!
what they have been recruiting in the past few months has simply replaced those who have left.
the total batch of pilots (my batch mates) i had when i joined has almost halved.....
concentrate on retaining!!!
what they have been recruiting in the past few months has simply replaced those who have left.
the total batch of pilots (my batch mates) i had when i joined has almost halved.....
Joined: Sep 2015
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From: Planet Earth
Don,
Wh1sper is right. FO:s ARE resigning over this, wether you doubt it or not. Granted, probably not in large numbers though as few can afford to hand in the notice without a new paycheck in sight...
Career decisions are hopefully based on available information and current state of affairs, and you will have to agree that the situation was slightly different 3-4 years ago, albeit already on a slide. This is just a guess, but perhaps some candidates made the assumption that the company would not conduct two rounds of DEC recruitment so close together.. Now proven wrong obviously, but your 'told you so:s' might not tell the whole story for all colleagues.
With the 2012 round of DEC:s, a large number of FO:s will now have been bypassed twice. That is quite a tough pill to swallow, in particular since the number of upgrade qualifying FO:s is considerably higher than last time round. And with 90+ hours a month the new standard, added to our fantastic new bidding system, one has to ask how much love there was for the company prior this email from JA.
Wh1sper is right. FO:s ARE resigning over this, wether you doubt it or not. Granted, probably not in large numbers though as few can afford to hand in the notice without a new paycheck in sight...
Career decisions are hopefully based on available information and current state of affairs, and you will have to agree that the situation was slightly different 3-4 years ago, albeit already on a slide. This is just a guess, but perhaps some candidates made the assumption that the company would not conduct two rounds of DEC recruitment so close together.. Now proven wrong obviously, but your 'told you so:s' might not tell the whole story for all colleagues.
With the 2012 round of DEC:s, a large number of FO:s will now have been bypassed twice. That is quite a tough pill to swallow, in particular since the number of upgrade qualifying FO:s is considerably higher than last time round. And with 90+ hours a month the new standard, added to our fantastic new bidding system, one has to ask how much love there was for the company prior this email from JA.
Joined: Sep 2007
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From: UAE
I take my hat off to JA for telling it like it is.
Right now I could care less where these guys come from (sorry to all my FO mates), but I'm tired of 90++ hour rosters and we all need a break. As for FOs resigning, I doubt it will be in big numbers. EK put everyone in this mess and now its their gamble as to whether it pays off or not, DECs are no surprise as its been happening as long as I've been here. Fortunately for EK, there are some 'heavy' Captains that are in the market who speak fluent Russian and Malay with 777 and 330 experience.
Right now I could care less where these guys come from (sorry to all my FO mates), but I'm tired of 90++ hour rosters and we all need a break. As for FOs resigning, I doubt it will be in big numbers. EK put everyone in this mess and now its their gamble as to whether it pays off or not, DECs are no surprise as its been happening as long as I've been here. Fortunately for EK, there are some 'heavy' Captains that are in the market who speak fluent Russian and Malay with 777 and 330 experience.