Change to EK staff travel
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It's the dichotomy of, on the one hand publicly - "we are doing you a favor" while surreptitiously doing the opposite privately - that is most offensive.
My initial reaction was: the Company's complete underestimation of the intelligence of the staff to quickly checking myself and realizing...
...we are powerless...it's a dictatorship.
It's one thing for them not to care about anything else but the bottom line...but it's an entirely different proposition for them not to 'respect' our intelligence and treat us with contempt.
Another sad day.
f.
My initial reaction was: the Company's complete underestimation of the intelligence of the staff to quickly checking myself and realizing...
...we are powerless...it's a dictatorship.
It's one thing for them not to care about anything else but the bottom line...but it's an entirely different proposition for them not to 'respect' our intelligence and treat us with contempt.
Another sad day.
f.
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Pardon the thread highjack but to get excited because staff tickets cost more obscures a much larger financial hit you have been taking for the last five years or so.
Trawl your previous rosters and find one that contains a week or so of vacation. If you compare your roster for that month to some of your colleagues who had no vacation at all you will likely find that you worked just as many hours as them and had no more time free from work than them. You did not get a vacation, you were merely graced with a compressed roster.
Eh voila, the company helped themselves to a week of work from you they were not entitled to. Direct cost to you of somewhere around 12,000 dirhams, depending on your grade.
Thanks for helping out.
Trawl your previous rosters and find one that contains a week or so of vacation. If you compare your roster for that month to some of your colleagues who had no vacation at all you will likely find that you worked just as many hours as them and had no more time free from work than them. You did not get a vacation, you were merely graced with a compressed roster.
Eh voila, the company helped themselves to a week of work from you they were not entitled to. Direct cost to you of somewhere around 12,000 dirhams, depending on your grade.
Thanks for helping out.
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True, but I will add that most of the unionised carriers I know of, including the one I used to work for...who are one of the most unionised in the world...do the same. There, part time CC did the same hours and just worked longer days when they were in work, and only when you got a full two weeks of leave did you not do 90+ hours...the same applied to pilots on part time. In fact, they had to be on less than 4/4 to actually lose hours.
It gets to me as well that companies skirt around the truth of 'leave' and 'part time', but this time, Emirates isn't the trail blazer!
They are pretty revolutionary with the whole ST thing. Everyone else would have just scrapped it outright!
Genii!
True, but I will add that most of the unionised carriers I know of, including the one I used to work for...who are one of the most unionised in the world...do the same. There, part time CC did the same hours and just worked longer days when they were in work, and only when you got a full two weeks of leave did you not do 90+ hours...the same applied to pilots on part time. In fact, they had to be on less than 4/4 to actually lose hours.
It gets to me as well that companies skirt around the truth of 'leave' and 'part time', but this time, Emirates isn't the trail blazer!
They are pretty revolutionary with the whole ST thing. Everyone else would have just scrapped it outright!
Genii!
Essentially all expat staff are marooned in Dubai and need some method of taking leave / leisure travel. As they are a ' captive ' audience it is somewhat unscrupulous to exploit this predicament. Other non - expat airlines can offer discount travel as a ' perk ' but it is not the same as travel to your domicile . Morally dubious and particularly so when proclaimed as an improvement - an insult to intelligence.
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I'm currently looking over the old EK fare matrix versus the new one. How is it that several of the destinations have moved closer geographically? 
Does anyone care to elaborate on that? If the destination was in group 4 and moved to group 3 distance wise, then those are the only people who actually get to pay LESS for a ticket. Wish my home or popular choice of destinations was in the group that was moved back. AND why the huge jump in cost in first class from group 7 to group 8. I guess they figure the North Americans in group 8 deserve to pay more for their first class tickets (which most of the time, are the only seats remotely available on the flights). 
Does anyone care to elaborate on that? If the destination was in group 4 and moved to group 3 distance wise, then those are the only people who actually get to pay LESS for a ticket. Wish my home or popular choice of destinations was in the group that was moved back. AND why the huge jump in cost in first class from group 7 to group 8. I guess they figure the North Americans in group 8 deserve to pay more for their first class tickets (which most of the time, are the only seats remotely available on the flights).
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Would be nice to know if this staff travel debacle has been brought up at one of the sim ground-school meetings with management, and their reaction. I am not due in there for some months, so maybe someone could bring this up, and post a reply?
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Gehenna,
I had a wash up recently. ST was the top subject.
Fleet didn't comment.
HR lady was also disappointed as everybody else.
Her recommendation was to compare the prices with Expedia,kayak etc before making a firm booking on ST.
I had a wash up recently. ST was the top subject.
Fleet didn't comment.
HR lady was also disappointed as everybody else.
Her recommendation was to compare the prices with Expedia,kayak etc before making a firm booking on ST.
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Emirates has been on a downward spiral closing the gap with all the other Middle East carriers for some time now
After this Staff Travel announcement, surely Pilots looking to leave their country can not see Emirates as their first choice anymore
I am not sure about the cost of living in AD, Oman, Qatar or Turkey, but our real income has gone down at least 30% since the financial crisis
After this Staff Travel announcement, surely Pilots looking to leave their country can not see Emirates as their first choice anymore
I am not sure about the cost of living in AD, Oman, Qatar or Turkey, but our real income has gone down at least 30% since the financial crisis
I joined EK just over a year ago and came with a 3 year plan (bond), 7 year plan (Prov Fund) and a 10 year plan (retirement). Three year plan is favourite at the moment.
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A poet amongst us - as posted on the Staff Travel site ;
From the 9th deck of this great ship, the leadership decides to covertly reduce the rations of the sailors onboard. The sailors take wind of this, and become angry. “We labor so hard, by day and night, to make this ship move swiftly through rough seas! The ship’s rations are plenty. The forepeak is filled with supplies! Why then do you reduce our keep? We need these rations to maintain our strength in order to move this great vessel through these perilous seas!” say the sailors in a desperate plea to their masters. The leaders look down below decks at their sweaty minions, and in disgust scream, “Keep rowing! Keep rowing!”
From the 9th deck of this great ship, the leadership decides to covertly reduce the rations of the sailors onboard. The sailors take wind of this, and become angry. “We labor so hard, by day and night, to make this ship move swiftly through rough seas! The ship’s rations are plenty. The forepeak is filled with supplies! Why then do you reduce our keep? We need these rations to maintain our strength in order to move this great vessel through these perilous seas!” say the sailors in a desperate plea to their masters. The leaders look down below decks at their sweaty minions, and in disgust scream, “Keep rowing! Keep rowing!”
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Has anyone e-mailed HH directly to protest this further deterioration in staff travel? I have calculated a 30% increase in Cat A ticket prices (to Oz.) As a frequent traveller/ family away it is a considerable amount.
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That's my real worry Xulu, and if I were you, I would stay as far from this airline as you can. The company is making BILLIONS of $ profit, and for the last 5 years or so have continued to reduced terms and conditions of those doing the brunt of the labor.
My question is this: if the company has been making record setting profits yet cutting staff compensation and benefits, what will they do WHEN (not if) they start to lose money? It is bound to happen. Even Rome fell. I want to be far from this place well before that happens.
The very thought makes my stomach turn.
Forget Keep Discovering...
Keep Rowing!
-FP
My question is this: if the company has been making record setting profits yet cutting staff compensation and benefits, what will they do WHEN (not if) they start to lose money? It is bound to happen. Even Rome fell. I want to be far from this place well before that happens.
The very thought makes my stomach turn.
Forget Keep Discovering...
Keep Rowing!
-FP
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I know I'm stating the obvious here but still, they do it because they can.
This should also be a reminder to those thinking that EK will have problems recruiting enough bodies with a pulse to fill those seats in the pointy end of the tube - EK have no concerns whatsoever that they will get enough "pilots" through the doors.... I guess too many South American, Indian and Italian (Alitalia) and RYR pilots looking for a job, or a better paid one, for this to become an issue for EK.
CP
This should also be a reminder to those thinking that EK will have problems recruiting enough bodies with a pulse to fill those seats in the pointy end of the tube - EK have no concerns whatsoever that they will get enough "pilots" through the doors.... I guess too many South American, Indian and Italian (Alitalia) and RYR pilots looking for a job, or a better paid one, for this to become an issue for EK.
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There was always a plan to introduce Friends to staff travel.
HH did not know that an increase to the Matrix had been implemented, hence the email from him to all of us with this supposed good news.
Now its a blame game at HQ central as HH seeks to find out who painted him in this light.
Last weeks emergency 'meeting' between Sir Tim and HH could be heard some way down the corridor.
HH did not know that an increase to the Matrix had been implemented, hence the email from him to all of us with this supposed good news.
Now its a blame game at HQ central as HH seeks to find out who painted him in this light.
Last weeks emergency 'meeting' between Sir Tim and HH could be heard some way down the corridor.
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Corridor Volume......
Crag,
Now its a blame game at HQ central as HH seeks to find out who painted him in this light.
Last weeks emergency 'meeting' between Sir Tim and HH could be heard some way down the corridor.
And you know this how exactly? My sources tell me Mr President was away last week....
7B
Now its a blame game at HQ central as HH seeks to find out who painted him in this light.
Last weeks emergency 'meeting' between Sir Tim and HH could be heard some way down the corridor.
And you know this how exactly? My sources tell me Mr President was away last week....
7B
