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Old 25th Jan 2014, 21:47
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Not sure if craggenmore is right..but i cant see HH putting his name under such utter crap.
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Old 25th Jan 2014, 22:26
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For your information brits, aussies and americans are by far the largest pilot group in Ek. Think twice before you post bullsh1t.
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Old 26th Jan 2014, 04:26
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Excellent point ! I think, not including locals, it is Brit , American, Aussie , Canucks .
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Old 26th Jan 2014, 06:03
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Retirement tickets

We all knew that EK could wipe out staff travel with a phone call. There are some naive people here who think they won't take a nice short term contract towards the end of their career for fear of losing their retirement tickets (sometimes I weaken and think this way also)

Hopefully this latest effort puts any hope of retirement tickets to rest, so anything beyond a seven year plan is gambling

Find it hard to believe there are any cirisis meetings going on about this, given the disingenuous way the company approaches everything else. More like slaps on each other's backs, villainous laughs, and roars of 'we've done it again'. TC says "now I can afford to buy a Lordship or Baronry"
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Old 26th Jan 2014, 10:15
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or your information brits, aussies and americans are by far the largest pilot group in Ek.
Probably correct, and your point is? Did you wake up on the wrong side this morning?

If Brits/Aussies/Americans, and other nationalities for that matter, stopped coming here and started leaving the company due to eroding conditions then the company would sooner or later have to change the way they treat employees, right? So as long as the employees accept the current status then don't expect anything to change.

So what did I write that was such BS?

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Old 26th Jan 2014, 10:27
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There was a suggestion in your post that the reason why the company can continue to erode our conditions is because people from India and south america etc are willing to replace us. The vast majority of the people who will replace us is in fact American, European Aussie etc. I think that's the way he read it, it was the way I read it too. Perhaps that's not what you meant . No big deal anyway
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Old 26th Jan 2014, 13:11
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There was a suggestion in your post that the reason why the company can continue to erode our conditions is because people from India and south america etc are willing to replace us.
That was exactly what I meant.

The vast majority of the people who will replace us is in fact American, European Aussie etc.
Not so sure. For pilots from EU/AUS and the US the package is slowly reaching levels where people will think hard and long before packing their bags. For many other pilots, from for example India and South America, the EK package still represents an increase in T&Cs when compared to their current ones.

As a result I believe we will see fewer EU/AUS/US pilots joining the ME circus over the coming years. Just my two cents.

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Old 26th Jan 2014, 14:14
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Let's call a spade a spade here:

This was a company wide pay cut for everyone. Perhaps for locals a lesser extent as they do not need travel to visit aging parents and attend sibling weddings.

But for everyone else, we have to travel. The ALT would be an excuse if they gave us our vacation in one chunk. They do not and now we pay the company more to avail of our vacation at home. And for those who say "Dubai is your home". At how many years am I eligible for citizenship?

Billions to the owners this year...a pay cut for the everyone else...delivered with a letter of celebration.

Below is the Co.'s core values per the website:

"A strong and stable leadership team, ambitious yet calculated decision-making and ground-breaking ideas all contribute to the creation of great companies. Of course, these have played a major part in our development, but we believe our business ethics are the foundation on which our success has been built. Caring for our employees and stakeholders, as well as the environment and the communities we serve, have played a huge part in our past and will continue to shape our future."

I like the first & last sentences the most...."Great companies"..."Caring for our employees"

...That's the spirit

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Old 26th Jan 2014, 14:24
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its going to be revised soon not as much we want but as a token.
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Old 26th Jan 2014, 15:23
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This was a company wide pay cut for everyone. Perhaps for locals a lesser extent as they do not need travel to visit aging parents and attend sibling weddings.
I flew with a local yesterday who didn't know anything about the changes and didn't really care. Might have to pay a few more dirhams for a weekend in Casablanca but for a 21 year old who drives a Porsche Cayenne turbo as a second car its pocket money.
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Old 26th Jan 2014, 15:35
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Exclamation

Craggs has a point. Whether of not there was a vocal meeting on the ninth floor is ultimately irrelevant, but we all know that HH does not like bad publicity nor having the company openly painted in such a bad light.

I don't think he or any of the hierarchy could not have predicted the open backlash and revolt that just keeps rolling in on the company website from the rank and file.
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Old 26th Jan 2014, 16:22
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Fares have been amended today again. I believe they have come back to the old ones, but I have no data to compare.

Anyone can please share????

Both CAT A, CAT C, and Special fares have been reduced. Still awaiting for official confirmation.
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Old 26th Jan 2014, 18:49
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Somethings happened. The fares are changing as of the 27th, (down, but still a bit up) and the Special category has gone from the TRIPS "Flight Status" page.
Don't tell me the squeaky wheel finally saw a dab of grease!?!?!?!??!
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Old 26th Jan 2014, 19:50
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Good find Mrs M. On a quick look I noticed that Oz/US flights are still at the high rate. But India has dropped Aed 400 to Aed800ish from the Aed1260ish it was on the 19th for a Y class cat C.
They have dropped the special ticket bit off the seats available, and replaced it with Firm concessional seats available, which is good as I guess that means Cat C as well. As of the 19th Special tickets were offered on Oz/US flights where the cheaper Cat C were not.


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Old 26th Jan 2014, 21:48
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Had a big turnout of crew tonight at dinner (no, not me ...the FO looks like Beckham)

Anyhoo, all had "Kevin's Blog" out on their smartphones (wtf is that says I?) it's the feedback blog on CC portal to CC leadership team and usually it's civilized ..,

...well gents I had a laugh, they all got pissed and started blogging away 'sans etiquette '..so Here am I chuckling
as they are punching and slagging away...and suddenly a response from K himself ..

It went Something like this:

"Dear CC , we are aware of the situation and will be arranging a meeting with upper mgt to pass on your concerns..."

Looking fwd to the email tomorrow from Fleet underscoring same concerns of pilot group to upper mgt and how they will express our concerns...anyone with a sac on the 3rd floor care to hit 'send'...or will 'Kev. do it for you?

Standing by...

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Old 27th Jan 2014, 00:23
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Fliion that's hilarious.

Was it the twelve rounds of Jagermeister and Red Bull that you and FO Beckham put on that encouraged the team to start giving Kev the stick?

As the visa ad once said...Priceless
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Old 27th Jan 2014, 02:45
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Not so sure the Fares have been revised, just checked against a 2010 Fare Matrix and Zone 5 still looks like 10/20/30ish% in Y/J/F
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Old 27th Jan 2014, 04:05
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No revisions to Cat A tickets. I've tried 3 different destinations and all up by 20%-30% over fares prior to staff travel 'special announcement'.
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Old 27th Jan 2014, 04:51
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Could someone give the log-in details required for "My ID Travel" on the Emirates private page, please?

Thanks
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Old 27th Jan 2014, 06:19
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Kamel...was that you in the corner watching!!

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