"First Wave"
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"First Wave" adios to profit share...
A third phrase into our lexicon:
"First Wave" / "Rich Rewards" / "Profit Share"
Tut, tut, tut . TCAS ...
Perhaps now an understanding of the impossibility of:
VADE SOLUS -
and should it work .....no doubt riches for the author....crumbs for the minions.
Lest we forget May of '13.
f.
"First Wave" / "Rich Rewards" / "Profit Share"
Tut, tut, tut . TCAS ...
Perhaps now an understanding of the impossibility of:
VADE SOLUS -
and should it work .....no doubt riches for the author....crumbs for the minions.
Lest we forget May of '13.
f.
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funny.... I am always ready, on time.... It was never us that delayed the flight...
i am sure " first wave" is the solution.... and i am sure we will be shafted as we did not make it out on time... although never our fault....
i am sure " first wave" is the solution.... and i am sure we will be shafted as we did not make it out on time... although never our fault....
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You'd be surprised to find out how many delays are finally blamed on us crew in the system. The usual a$$ covering fiddling with statistics, blaming those who can no longer fiddle along with this pathetic orchestra .....
So logically enough the distant statistics conductor, out of his Costa office, believes that cr@p and finds the perfect remedy for the supposed symptom, not to cure the disease, god help us, no!
So logically enough the distant statistics conductor, out of his Costa office, believes that cr@p and finds the perfect remedy for the supposed symptom, not to cure the disease, god help us, no!
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Four bullet points for Flight Operations is hardly "beating the pilot's heads in".
Most of what was in that document actually refers to all the stuff that you are complaining about.... it comes down to actually carrying out the shut off times and getting pax to adhere to the time protocols and OTP has half a chance, think there are too many looking for too many hidden agendas here.
Most of what was in that document actually refers to all the stuff that you are complaining about.... it comes down to actually carrying out the shut off times and getting pax to adhere to the time protocols and OTP has half a chance, think there are too many looking for too many hidden agendas here.
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I accept your criticism.
Sure enough 4 bullet points do not represent a beating. It's showing the little influence and recognition we have, so basically why bother ....
I only bother when we get the eventual mail from the FDM to explain a delay that was unabashedly blamed on us, without telling and by blatantly altering what had been reported from the CC and our ACARS message!
A meagre 4 bullet points on 13 A4 pages contrasting to getting the full blame and being unaware, that futility of this wave is what i was pointing at.
Sure enough 4 bullet points do not represent a beating. It's showing the little influence and recognition we have, so basically why bother ....
I only bother when we get the eventual mail from the FDM to explain a delay that was unabashedly blamed on us, without telling and by blatantly altering what had been reported from the CC and our ACARS message!
A meagre 4 bullet points on 13 A4 pages contrasting to getting the full blame and being unaware, that futility of this wave is what i was pointing at.
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I've noticed recently block times getting shorter For example 77F to TPE with Block of 8.45 and flt of 8.55??
Its not just this, like glo said - 20 mins before STD gate closed?? Really...so why is it in DOH 2 pax wandering round duty free because they're sat in F are still allowed to travel?
Like everyone said - put the blame on the ones who are easiest to blame - the crews. CC are not doing they're post flight's quick enough which is delaying onward flights - yes I've seen an email to this effect. Pilots not following RTA crap - they want you to not comply with ATC just so EK Ops can have you abide by RTA?
For example 77F to TPE with Block of 8.45 and flt of 8.55??Its not just this, like glo said - 20 mins before STD gate closed?? Really...so why is it in DOH 2 pax wandering round duty free because they're sat in F are still allowed to travel?
Like everyone said - put the blame on the ones who are easiest to blame - the crews. CC are not doing they're post flight's quick enough which is delaying onward flights - yes I've seen an email to this effect. Pilots not following RTA crap - they want you to not comply with ATC just so EK Ops can have you abide by RTA?
30mins for post-flight is not uncommon- and that's going as fast as possible. The amount of double handling that goes on is ridiculous. Half the things the CC have to pick up and put away go right back out on the seats again when the cabin dressing team arrives... Time could definitely be saved there...
One flight last week we boarded the aircraft approx 1hr 40 prior to departure. All crew security, catering and cabin checks were complete 1hr10 prior. We stood around for at least 30mins before boarding commenced, despite giving the go ahead when we were ready. To me it appeared no effort was made to hurry the pax. Eventually the door was closed 10mins after dep time. No cargo doors were open. Love to see what the delay got attributed to. The crew I bet, and not pax boarding after sched departute time...
Time could definitely be saved there...One flight last week we boarded the aircraft approx 1hr 40 prior to departure. All crew security, catering and cabin checks were complete 1hr10 prior. We stood around for at least 30mins before boarding commenced, despite giving the go ahead when we were ready. To me it appeared no effort was made to hurry the pax. Eventually the door was closed 10mins after dep time. No cargo doors were open. Love to see what the delay got attributed to. The crew I bet, and not pax boarding after sched departute time...
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I like the fact that a lot of "new" blankets are now used at the end of the flight 
Ground staff have a huge part in this "first wave" and OTP. Why not say 20 minutes as supposed to be is ACTUAL cut off for closing the gate. No mercy quite simply or ground staff who have the guts to say to a pax important or not. You've missed your flight - take the next one. Why is it that most other airlines don't have the cabin baggage issue?? Or OTP isnt really an issue because they follow SOP's. Ground Crews have procedures, why aren't they brought up for not following. Crew and F/D are ridiculed and I would even go as far as saying 'persecuted' for not following SOP. Where is the commonality among Ops, Dispatch etc
Ground staff have a huge part in this "first wave" and OTP. Why not say 20 minutes as supposed to be is ACTUAL cut off for closing the gate. No mercy quite simply or ground staff who have the guts to say to a pax important or not. You've missed your flight - take the next one. Why is it that most other airlines don't have the cabin baggage issue?? Or OTP isnt really an issue because they follow SOP's. Ground Crews have procedures, why aren't they brought up for not following. Crew and F/D are ridiculed and I would even go as far as saying 'persecuted' for not following SOP. Where is the commonality among Ops, Dispatch etc
True. Hand baggage is definitely not adhered to, especially in premium cabins. Why on earth anyone needs more than a small carry on bag and a laptop or suit bag is beyond me. For goodness' sake, F pax get 50 KILOS of checked baggage! That's more than I moved countries with...
The size gauges at check in counters are clearly for decoration. Have given up even trying since I am overruled almost every time on the item limit. Doesn't matter if it's all within size if they bring 5 pieces each... tthere's nowhere to stow it...
But F & J pax are consistently being allowed to flout the limits and I'm made to look like the wrong one for pointing it out to them. God forbid they might actually have to follow a rule. I hope when there's a hard landing I am not on that flight...
The size gauges at check in counters are clearly for decoration. Have given up even trying since I am overruled almost every time on the item limit. Doesn't matter if it's all within size if they bring 5 pieces each... tthere's nowhere to stow it...
But F & J pax are consistently being allowed to flout the limits and I'm made to look like the wrong one for pointing it out to them. God forbid they might actually have to follow a rule. I hope when there's a hard landing I am not on that flight...
Wings,
I thought you were mix fleeting on the Boeing now? Those landings not hard enough?
The don.
I thought you were mix fleeting on the Boeing now? Those landings not hard enough?
The don.
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Wings...totally agree with you but if they are SW Gold/Plat they're entitled to 63kgs.
Lets all be fair...this is just another way of someone justifying the salary they are paid and influencing the position they're in
Lets all be fair...this is just another way of someone justifying the salary they are paid and influencing the position they're in
Michael, even more reason not to bring pointless cr@p onboard... example. 5 suits in a "garment bag" that was more a suitcase and would've been at least 10kg. In addition to the other 3 pieces, for one guy. I get carrying on a suit if going direct to a meeting, but 5??
Don, I didn't mean one of yours... I meant Asiana style... to be fair to the B fleet, the 380 guys seem to be banging it on a lot more lately... then again we have been getting upgrades from the triple, haven't we? 
alright alright, hat, coat....
seriously though, if they started enforcing the carry on rules at checkin and again at security, a fair few delays would be avoided.
Don, I didn't mean one of yours...
I meant Asiana style... to be fair to the B fleet, the 380 guys seem to be banging it on a lot more lately... then again we have been getting upgrades from the triple, haven't we? alright alright, hat, coat....seriously though, if they started enforcing the carry on rules at checkin and again at security, a fair few delays would be avoided.
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Who cares??? After they stole the profit share from us (again), I donīt know anyone who still gives a about OTP, fuel saving or anything else. I treat them like they treat me, end of story.
about OTP, fuel saving or anything else. I treat them like they treat me, end of story.
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White - the new joiners who are bright eye'd and bushy tailed! New joiners still treat pax like they're gods. We all know - most of the ones who think they are should be
Wings - I totally agree with you. Extreme amounts of resentment at the moment. Knowing a senior manager personally he is well aware but as he puts it his hands are tied.
Having read the guidlines - its all a load of
Wings - I totally agree with you. Extreme amounts of resentment at the moment. Knowing a senior manager personally he is well aware but as he puts it his hands are tied.
Having read the guidlines - its all a load of
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LR3, apparently our leaders have just realized that our on time performance isn't *cough* very good, especially during the morning rush. Clearly this can't have anything to do with airspace and airport problems so it must be down to the employees not doing their jobs properly. Hence the moral boosting "First Wave" project. You just know somebody got a najam for that idea.