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If you're trying to assist potential new joiners in having a better (more balanced) perspective, then be balanced.
You say that rosters improve over time; they may for an FO but they don't for a DEC. That's not balanced.
You say that it's fun flying to places like Juba, Kabul etc.... many people may disagree with you. That's not balanced. In fact, I would go further and say that some of our destinations are extremely unsafe.
No one suggested that you have to whinge, you just need to be a bit more candid when supplying info to potential new joiners, which you weren't.
And no, I'm not the opinion police, but if you post a comment you shouldn't be offended when someone disagrees with you.
You say that rosters improve over time; they may for an FO but they don't for a DEC. That's not balanced.
You say that it's fun flying to places like Juba, Kabul etc.... many people may disagree with you. That's not balanced. In fact, I would go further and say that some of our destinations are extremely unsafe.
No one suggested that you have to whinge, you just need to be a bit more candid when supplying info to potential new joiners, which you weren't.
And no, I'm not the opinion police, but if you post a comment you shouldn't be offended when someone disagrees with you.
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So, for DEC new joiners, this guy is right. Your roster won't improve for a long time. For everyone else who is applying and is not a DEC it will improve quite quickly.
Point is, most of us here aren't like this other guy and we are happy with the company. It isn't perfect but then no company ever is.
Point is, most of us here aren't like this other guy and we are happy with the company. It isn't perfect but then no company ever is.
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Unless you are a young bloke happy to build his hours on the 737 and happy to fly to places like Kabul and Kathmandu to get your excitement fix .. You are nothing but dangerous
I flew witg the red outfit next door for many years .. Never complained about the destinations but neither felt excited nor did any of the skippers I had the pleasure performing TCaS RAs in Kabul or low altitude go around in Kathmandu
Your comments are unbalanced and unethical
Unless you are a young bloke happy to build his hours on the 737 and happy to fly to places like Kabul and Kathmandu to get your excitement fix .. You are nothing but dangerous
I flew witg the red outfit next door for many years .. Never complained about the destinations but neither felt excited nor did any of the skippers I had the pleasure performing TCaS RAs in Kabul or low altitude go around in Kathmandu
Your comments are unbalanced and unethical
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What utter Horse sh*t.
At what point did I say that I was unhappy? Please don't speak for me. If I was unhappy I would say so. If anything, I tolerate it here, like many people do. Needs must and all.
As for the rosters improving, wrong. They may do initially for FOs, but probably never for a DEC. I myself have been here over 4 years and can only manage one or two bids per month out of appx 100 bids. The rest of my roster being totally random day and night flights, alternating day/night duties, minimum rest and rest periods of 18-24hrs. Do you call that improving?
You say everyone else here is happy except me, really? How many resignations this month? People I actually know, both FOs and Captains are paying off their bonds in order to leave. Rumour has it, Emirates are paying off bonds for those willing to jump ship.
So next time you're having 'fun' flying into a 'dodgy' destination, I hope you look at your insurance package with the same jovial blindness.
At what point did I say that I was unhappy? Please don't speak for me. If I was unhappy I would say so. If anything, I tolerate it here, like many people do. Needs must and all.
As for the rosters improving, wrong. They may do initially for FOs, but probably never for a DEC. I myself have been here over 4 years and can only manage one or two bids per month out of appx 100 bids. The rest of my roster being totally random day and night flights, alternating day/night duties, minimum rest and rest periods of 18-24hrs. Do you call that improving?
You say everyone else here is happy except me, really? How many resignations this month? People I actually know, both FOs and Captains are paying off their bonds in order to leave. Rumour has it, Emirates are paying off bonds for those willing to jump ship.
So next time you're having 'fun' flying into a 'dodgy' destination, I hope you look at your insurance package with the same jovial blindness.
Agreed w - t - d. It appears that fz has never changed from day1.
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You are lying when you say that DEC's will never see the light of the day...
Haven't you ever seen the sunrise coming back from a night COK/TRV/LKO/TBS/MCT/ etc etc etc?
Especially landing 12L where the sun is directly into your eyes and you can barely see the PAPIs at 500ft..
You are lying when you say that DEC's will never see the light of the day...
Haven't you ever seen the sunrise coming back from a night COK/TRV/LKO/TBS/MCT/ etc etc etc?
Especially landing 12L where the sun is directly into your eyes and you can barely see the PAPIs at 500ft..
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Pole shift,
I stand corrected. I love your glass have full slant on this.
I wonder if I'll be fortunate enough to get some dodgy destinations in Aprils roster, where I can chillax and have fun flying into......
I stand corrected. I love your glass have full slant on this.
I wonder if I'll be fortunate enough to get some dodgy destinations in Aprils roster, where I can chillax and have fun flying into......
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Happy what as in by Pharrell?
So the issue appears to be DECs have it rough?
Oh well bit of bad luck they're having then. They get paid as Captains and they know the score before they join.
I like What2Do am 4yrs in. The rosters do indeed have lots of flip flopping from day to night for pretty much no reason other than poor rostering rules.
Hunter re most people being happy. Most implies more than half! Are you saying you think that MOST people are happy with our destinations, happy with the parking situation, happy with the bonus situation, happy without a payrise, happy with our management and the timely and accurate information they always give us AND happy with our rosters?
The guys I fly with are mostly not happy with any of the above and spend all day every day telling me that! But hey what do I know eh?
Resignations are on the increase and people are leaving to jobs that they really wouldnt have gone to a few years ago unless they were unhappy here. I like What2Do tolerate it but I wouldnt say I'm happy, I'm just better off here than anywhere else for the moment!
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Oh well bit of bad luck they're having then. They get paid as Captains and they know the score before they join.
I like What2Do am 4yrs in. The rosters do indeed have lots of flip flopping from day to night for pretty much no reason other than poor rostering rules.
Hunter re most people being happy. Most implies more than half! Are you saying you think that MOST people are happy with our destinations, happy with the parking situation, happy with the bonus situation, happy without a payrise, happy with our management and the timely and accurate information they always give us AND happy with our rosters?
The guys I fly with are mostly not happy with any of the above and spend all day every day telling me that! But hey what do I know eh?
Resignations are on the increase and people are leaving to jobs that they really wouldnt have gone to a few years ago unless they were unhappy here. I like What2Do tolerate it but I wouldnt say I'm happy, I'm just better off here than anywhere else for the moment!
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Transport jock,
"No company is perfect I agree, but this is one of the better ones which ticks all my boxes at the moment and for the foreseeable future"
No offence TJ, but you've been in the company how long? Already you're stating that this is one of the better ones. May I ask how many you've worked at?
You and Hunter seem to have the same misconception that DECs don't matter, unfortunately they do. I'm not a DEC, but I understand the problem that we have regarding low seniority DECs and rosters.
Personally, I would like to hear your thoughts in twelve months. By which time you should be in a more credible position to say if FZ was indeed, one of the "better" ones.
"No company is perfect I agree, but this is one of the better ones which ticks all my boxes at the moment and for the foreseeable future"
No offence TJ, but you've been in the company how long? Already you're stating that this is one of the better ones. May I ask how many you've worked at?
You and Hunter seem to have the same misconception that DECs don't matter, unfortunately they do. I'm not a DEC, but I understand the problem that we have regarding low seniority DECs and rosters.
Personally, I would like to hear your thoughts in twelve months. By which time you should be in a more credible position to say if FZ was indeed, one of the "better" ones.
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As I said, no offence.
I will say this though; The DECs I know, also applied very similar logic when applying to FZ. However, the reality of brutal rostering tends to kick in quite quickly and the shine soon wears off, as does 10 years of your life....
Having worked here for a number of years, I remember only to well the effect that this type of rostering has on the body and quality of life. As such, I can empathize with those DECs at the bottom.
Whilst I agree whole heartedly with seniority, I also understand that this system, in it's current format, is unfair. This is just my honest opinion and I don't claim to speak for any other pilot.
I will say this though; The DECs I know, also applied very similar logic when applying to FZ. However, the reality of brutal rostering tends to kick in quite quickly and the shine soon wears off, as does 10 years of your life....
Having worked here for a number of years, I remember only to well the effect that this type of rostering has on the body and quality of life. As such, I can empathize with those DECs at the bottom.
Whilst I agree whole heartedly with seniority, I also understand that this system, in it's current format, is unfair. This is just my honest opinion and I don't claim to speak for any other pilot.
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There is absolutely nothing enjoyable about flying into places like Kabul, especially with 170 odd sat in the back. If you're flying a Cessna Caravan, you're 25 years old and no family then it might be mildly exciting. (check your life insurance small print )
Money wise, It all looks great on paper and if you are single then you can live a great life out here. If you have a wife and kids think again. I flew with a guy recently that was topping up his children's school fees to the sum of 50,000 AED a year.
The company will send you back into Baghdad after numerous bullets penetrated the fuselage, including the centre fuel tank with no detailed report on what happened, apart from it was 'accidental' small arms fire from a wedding celebration.... Really ???
Unfortunately the commercial department calls the shots, not the safety department. Pardon the pun.
On the good side, 99% of the pilots are great guys and girls to fly with, the airplanes are new and you can get a mars bar delivered to your apartment at 3am if you want.
The roster is exactly as WTD describes above.
It just boils down to how long you can tolerate the company and the city that dictates how long you stay.
Money wise, It all looks great on paper and if you are single then you can live a great life out here. If you have a wife and kids think again. I flew with a guy recently that was topping up his children's school fees to the sum of 50,000 AED a year.
The company will send you back into Baghdad after numerous bullets penetrated the fuselage, including the centre fuel tank with no detailed report on what happened, apart from it was 'accidental' small arms fire from a wedding celebration.... Really ???
Unfortunately the commercial department calls the shots, not the safety department. Pardon the pun.
On the good side, 99% of the pilots are great guys and girls to fly with, the airplanes are new and you can get a mars bar delivered to your apartment at 3am if you want.
The roster is exactly as WTD describes above.
It just boils down to how long you can tolerate the company and the city that dictates how long you stay.
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For being one who had THOROUGHLY researched the school system (good/bad schools) and prices, I can honestly say that our allowance does NOT cover 90% of the 'good' schools out there.
I've seen parents send their kids to schools that they've 'settled' for either because they were the only schools that had (or could offer) a place to their child or because of the cost.
I for one will say the 'private' schooling here cannot be compared to 'real' private schooling. The schools here are businesses and do NOT forget that. Not to say they're awful and terrible - they're not (though bad ones do exist).
So to say that 90% of schools are accessible within the allowance provided is bluntly put entirely incorrect. Sorry to say it how it is TJ. JESS is considered an 'Outstanding' school. Chances of getting in? NIL. Kings Jumeirah - 'Outstanding'. Chances of getting in - very, very slim. All the new schools that are popping up (Kings Al Barsha/Nad Al Sheeba, Nord Anglia, Safa Community, GEMS Al Khail etc) all start at 50,000 AED MINIMUM (and that's for primary school). And these are the schools that you 'may' be able to get your child into. With all these schools starting at +50k AED, sort of makes Repton look not so expensive after all.
Schooling will pretty much have to be subsidized by you if you come here.
I've seen parents send their kids to schools that they've 'settled' for either because they were the only schools that had (or could offer) a place to their child or because of the cost.
I for one will say the 'private' schooling here cannot be compared to 'real' private schooling. The schools here are businesses and do NOT forget that. Not to say they're awful and terrible - they're not (though bad ones do exist).
So to say that 90% of schools are accessible within the allowance provided is bluntly put entirely incorrect. Sorry to say it how it is TJ. JESS is considered an 'Outstanding' school. Chances of getting in? NIL. Kings Jumeirah - 'Outstanding'. Chances of getting in - very, very slim. All the new schools that are popping up (Kings Al Barsha/Nad Al Sheeba, Nord Anglia, Safa Community, GEMS Al Khail etc) all start at 50,000 AED MINIMUM (and that's for primary school). And these are the schools that you 'may' be able to get your child into. With all these schools starting at +50k AED, sort of makes Repton look not so expensive after all.
Schooling will pretty much have to be subsidized by you if you come here.
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Thank you British guy for being closer to the truth than the ridiculous post before you!
The fact is that schools like GEMS Wellington et al. Are simply not good enough for any child with reasonable academics who hopes to go to a good university in UK.
If your child is a non native English speaker be that subcontinent to Western European then GEMS will give them a basic education granted but that is all they will get.
The UK private sector is preparing your 4-11yr old for the 11+ or 13+ from when they arrive. I like British Guy have done a huge amount of research and due diligence as school for Mrs VT and I was a driving factor in whether to separate the family or move as a unit to DXB.
Granted the choice is better now (slightly) than 4 years ago but there are still only the schools that BG mentions as even being close to good enough and I would argue that whilst all of those mentioned are good enough academically that they are not good enough from a holistic product point of view. Schools are not even close to being solely about academics.
Foremarke (same firm as Repton) is 89,000AED per annum for a 6yr old. That is almost double Repton. The academics are excellent but nothing else is up to par. I am sure it will be in the future but the future is too late if your child is that age now! It will be ok in 3yrs time might be good enough for your children it isn't for ours!
And if it is good enough for your children then great then my children will have less competition in their future, so thank you for thinking it doesn't matter!
So yes can we complain if we are one of those who like BG flies with guys who have to top up accommodation and top up schooling etc. Well actually no as, we choose better schools for our own personal reasons but the same arguments exists for driving a Audi when a Yaris would do the job, as would a Kia. The very same argument exists for not living in a 2 bed in Sharjah or RAK as opposed to living in The Meadows.
We all have our own level of what lifestyle we are prepared to live. We all know pilots who live in Motor City 2 Bed appts with 2 children. Good for them they can live like that, I for one will not. If I have to live like that then I may as well at least do it from the comfort of my own home in my own country.
I do have an EASA licence and a EU passport so I do have a choice, I choose to stay here but lets not make it seem like we do anything other than tread water. I save nothing at all every month.
What 73heaven said is spot on if you come out here and have two school age children do not expect to save a single dirham left at the end of any month. In fact consider yourself lucky if you can afford a very small family holiday once a year.
It is not that life is expensive in DXB it is simply that life is expensive full stop. So it is a choice of spending everything you earn here and living lifestyle X or spending everything you have at home and living lifestyle Y.
If you come from a cheap to live in country or are one of those pilots whining about not being able to get home every month then my sympathy is not with you. You cannot reap the rewards of the ME if your family live thousands of miles away and if your wife and children are not here with you then you should ask yourself what the point in you being here is.
If you want a commute go to China, earn $20,000 a month a work 20/10 then at least you have cash to show for it!
There are many things wrong here at FZ mostly starting from the top but each year that we survive here is one year less of worry for the future of the family so it is what it is.
Re the DECs roster. Sorry I'll save that for another thread! If we needed DEC's then fine but we don't so basically I have no sympathy we all get paid the same, the roster is what it is.
The fact is that schools like GEMS Wellington et al. Are simply not good enough for any child with reasonable academics who hopes to go to a good university in UK.
If your child is a non native English speaker be that subcontinent to Western European then GEMS will give them a basic education granted but that is all they will get.
The UK private sector is preparing your 4-11yr old for the 11+ or 13+ from when they arrive. I like British Guy have done a huge amount of research and due diligence as school for Mrs VT and I was a driving factor in whether to separate the family or move as a unit to DXB.
Granted the choice is better now (slightly) than 4 years ago but there are still only the schools that BG mentions as even being close to good enough and I would argue that whilst all of those mentioned are good enough academically that they are not good enough from a holistic product point of view. Schools are not even close to being solely about academics.
Foremarke (same firm as Repton) is 89,000AED per annum for a 6yr old. That is almost double Repton. The academics are excellent but nothing else is up to par. I am sure it will be in the future but the future is too late if your child is that age now! It will be ok in 3yrs time might be good enough for your children it isn't for ours!
And if it is good enough for your children then great then my children will have less competition in their future, so thank you for thinking it doesn't matter!
So yes can we complain if we are one of those who like BG flies with guys who have to top up accommodation and top up schooling etc. Well actually no as, we choose better schools for our own personal reasons but the same arguments exists for driving a Audi when a Yaris would do the job, as would a Kia. The very same argument exists for not living in a 2 bed in Sharjah or RAK as opposed to living in The Meadows.
We all have our own level of what lifestyle we are prepared to live. We all know pilots who live in Motor City 2 Bed appts with 2 children. Good for them they can live like that, I for one will not. If I have to live like that then I may as well at least do it from the comfort of my own home in my own country.
I do have an EASA licence and a EU passport so I do have a choice, I choose to stay here but lets not make it seem like we do anything other than tread water. I save nothing at all every month.
What 73heaven said is spot on if you come out here and have two school age children do not expect to save a single dirham left at the end of any month. In fact consider yourself lucky if you can afford a very small family holiday once a year.
It is not that life is expensive in DXB it is simply that life is expensive full stop. So it is a choice of spending everything you earn here and living lifestyle X or spending everything you have at home and living lifestyle Y.
If you come from a cheap to live in country or are one of those pilots whining about not being able to get home every month then my sympathy is not with you. You cannot reap the rewards of the ME if your family live thousands of miles away and if your wife and children are not here with you then you should ask yourself what the point in you being here is.
If you want a commute go to China, earn $20,000 a month a work 20/10 then at least you have cash to show for it!
There are many things wrong here at FZ mostly starting from the top but each year that we survive here is one year less of worry for the future of the family so it is what it is.
Re the DECs roster. Sorry I'll save that for another thread! If we needed DEC's then fine but we don't so basically I have no sympathy we all get paid the same, the roster is what it is.
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Agreed.
To put it mildly, life in Dubai - and at Flydubai - is not for everyone.
To a large degree, perceptions of the city /country and airline will depend on where someone is from and their flying background. I can understand how, for people from some regions of Latin America, Southern Africa or the subcontinent, the UAE might feel like the promised land. However, for Europeans, Americans, Aussies etc the 'benefits' of living here are not quite as obvious.
Similarly, if previously you were stuck on turboprops with no career prospects, or living out of a suitcase for weeks on end, or working for an outfit that staggered from one financial crisis to the next (or all three) then Flydubai might not seem a bad place to work. On the other hand, if you enjoyed a stable roster, not being shot at, minimal night flying, a high quality TRTO, and maybe even - shock horror - union protection, you could be forgiven for not exactly being in love with the place.
I do appreciate the good things here; the weather is great for six months of the year, it's not crime free, but the sort of low-level antisocial stuff that is all too common in Europe (littering, graffiti, drunken teenagers, muggings etc) is virtually non-existent. Life can be very good - particularly on days off when I don't have to drive to work. I can save enough to send money home, but only because I don't have kids. Work-wise, most colleagues are great, there is a good variety of destinations - apart from the war zones - and the aircraft are new and very reliable.
Against that, the driving here is appalling, and most days I can expect to drive to work with some suicidal cretin glued to my rear bumper at 110kph whilst texting his mates, updating his facebook profile and letting his kids stand between the front seats. When (if) I arrive, I have the choice of paying to park outside or adding nearly an hour to my day by using the off-airport car park that has been thoughtfully provided by someone who thinks it's more important for office staff to arrive on time and unstressed than pilots or cabin crew.
The rostering system works well for perhaps the top 10% in each seat, and poorly for most other people. I particularly enjoy the trip trade requests from senior guys with twenty days off, inviting me to take a single Doha off them so they can make it twenty one.
The roster is the biggest single issue why many people are actively looking elsewhere.
In a nutshell, there are worse airlines to work for and worse places to live, but there are too many negatives for it to ever feel anything more than a stepping-stone. I know very few people who regard it as a long term proposition.
Amen to that.
To put it mildly, life in Dubai - and at Flydubai - is not for everyone.
To a large degree, perceptions of the city /country and airline will depend on where someone is from and their flying background. I can understand how, for people from some regions of Latin America, Southern Africa or the subcontinent, the UAE might feel like the promised land. However, for Europeans, Americans, Aussies etc the 'benefits' of living here are not quite as obvious.
Similarly, if previously you were stuck on turboprops with no career prospects, or living out of a suitcase for weeks on end, or working for an outfit that staggered from one financial crisis to the next (or all three) then Flydubai might not seem a bad place to work. On the other hand, if you enjoyed a stable roster, not being shot at, minimal night flying, a high quality TRTO, and maybe even - shock horror - union protection, you could be forgiven for not exactly being in love with the place.
I do appreciate the good things here; the weather is great for six months of the year, it's not crime free, but the sort of low-level antisocial stuff that is all too common in Europe (littering, graffiti, drunken teenagers, muggings etc) is virtually non-existent. Life can be very good - particularly on days off when I don't have to drive to work. I can save enough to send money home, but only because I don't have kids. Work-wise, most colleagues are great, there is a good variety of destinations - apart from the war zones - and the aircraft are new and very reliable.
Against that, the driving here is appalling, and most days I can expect to drive to work with some suicidal cretin glued to my rear bumper at 110kph whilst texting his mates, updating his facebook profile and letting his kids stand between the front seats. When (if) I arrive, I have the choice of paying to park outside or adding nearly an hour to my day by using the off-airport car park that has been thoughtfully provided by someone who thinks it's more important for office staff to arrive on time and unstressed than pilots or cabin crew.
The rostering system works well for perhaps the top 10% in each seat, and poorly for most other people. I particularly enjoy the trip trade requests from senior guys with twenty days off, inviting me to take a single Doha off them so they can make it twenty one.
The roster is the biggest single issue why many people are actively looking elsewhere.In a nutshell, there are worse airlines to work for and worse places to live, but there are too many negatives for it to ever feel anything more than a stepping-stone. I know very few people who regard it as a long term proposition.
It just boils down to how long you can tolerate the company and the city that dictates how long you stay.
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As a DEC joining in june, I am prepared for the rosters, but was hoping it would improve in a couple of years with airplanes coming and people resigning.
Any chance anyone can PM me an example of a roster?
Looks like the best choice would be to live close to the airport, and take a taxi to work..
Any chance anyone can PM me an example of a roster?
Looks like the best choice would be to live close to the airport, and take a taxi to work..
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Info needed
Hello guys
I am thinking of moving soon to Dubai and fly for FZ. However I would like your inputs.
I have 4 children and although I am very experienced I am joining as FO (not airline captain, just private jets)
I am considering moving there for a year before bringing my family over. I spent 5 years in Doha with QR so I know ahow it is in ME, not particularly in Dubai.
Would I be able to make it there? I had a 4 BR villa in Doha and had to put 2000 QR more per month and schooling was also very expensive with a big amount coming out of my pocket.
Regarding flying and the terrible rosters I don't mind, I was on the 320! But I would like to provide again my family with a safe environment and a good quality of living.
Appreciate your comments...
I am thinking of moving soon to Dubai and fly for FZ. However I would like your inputs.
I have 4 children and although I am very experienced I am joining as FO (not airline captain, just private jets)
I am considering moving there for a year before bringing my family over. I spent 5 years in Doha with QR so I know ahow it is in ME, not particularly in Dubai.
Would I be able to make it there? I had a 4 BR villa in Doha and had to put 2000 QR more per month and schooling was also very expensive with a big amount coming out of my pocket.
Regarding flying and the terrible rosters I don't mind, I was on the 320! But I would like to provide again my family with a safe environment and a good quality of living.
Appreciate your comments...
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Colo, just to throw it out there. The company will only cover 3 children in school. So as for your fourth child they will not cover their educational costs. So figure about 50,000 AED (I'm making the assumption that this is Primary and NOT secondary education - secondary will be more).
As a First Officer you'll probably be making (as a ball park figure) between 39,000 - 42,000 AED. So right off the bat, about between 4-6 weeks salary will be going towards your 4th childs' education.
4 Bedroom villa? Unless you are already financially stable are are not coming to Dubai for the money, I think it's safe to say that on roughly 40,000 AED a month having a 4 bedroom villa will be tight. a 4 bedroom villa at the entry level end will be 180,000+ (and I think my figures might still be a little out). A Ranches 3 bedroom Al Reem was going for 170k last time I checked. Eitherway, these figures are again above the FZ housing allowance - again leaving you to dip into your own pocket to fund the difference (not to mention the bills, housing fee etc, etc).
Safe to say, nothing has changed since your days in Doha. Money will still be coming out of your pocket.
As a First Officer you'll probably be making (as a ball park figure) between 39,000 - 42,000 AED. So right off the bat, about between 4-6 weeks salary will be going towards your 4th childs' education.
4 Bedroom villa? Unless you are already financially stable are are not coming to Dubai for the money, I think it's safe to say that on roughly 40,000 AED a month having a 4 bedroom villa will be tight. a 4 bedroom villa at the entry level end will be 180,000+ (and I think my figures might still be a little out). A Ranches 3 bedroom Al Reem was going for 170k last time I checked. Eitherway, these figures are again above the FZ housing allowance - again leaving you to dip into your own pocket to fund the difference (not to mention the bills, housing fee etc, etc).
Safe to say, nothing has changed since your days in Doha. Money will still be coming out of your pocket.