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Old 17th May 2013, 05:45
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"anyone who flies a smaller plane than me is beneath me as a human being" attitude is way overplayed
Correct.

But boy it's funny listening to en ex-RJ driver tell everybody in earshot everything there is to know about flying, and then watching them try to fly a widebody........

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Old 17th May 2013, 06:47
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You would go back to the states for different reasons but the pay. Even as a DL FO starting at $66 and going up to a 10 year FO making $130 an hour and $140000 p.a.(100k-110k after taxes) still won't match the EK FO $150k+ tax free(basic, fly pay, housing allowance, 1 kid school allowance, provident fund). Americans would go back for their families, quality of life, laid back environment, stability and retirement. It doesn't matter if you fly a 320/330/777/380, at the end of the day it's a combination of how happy you are from your job and how much money you are bringing to your family. What happened last week was sad and insulting at the same time. Keep flying safe!!!
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Old 17th May 2013, 07:17
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Not hostile at all, as just stated , be realistic about your return. You don't have to justify it to me but only yourself.I happen to know someone in HR and some pilots leave for the wrong reasons and regret it. Policy now is not to take anyone back that leaves, they don't really care .
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Old 17th May 2013, 08:18
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Try and not redirect the anger you feel for being poorly compensated at any other nationality. It is a misplaced anger and does the pilot group, as a whole, a disservice. Be mad about how hard you worked and it not being good enough. That is where the fight resides.

One thinig I can't get my head around though:
Those at EGHQ tell us "if we don't like it, then leave" and it makes us angry.

American's say "okay, we'll leave" and you get angry?

Take a deep breath and get some sleep guys, its been a tough week.

Olive branches of peace for us all...
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Old 17th May 2013, 09:07
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forgetting that the ''super'' might have contributed bugger all to the bottom line.
I'm increasingly suspicious that it IS contributing to the bottom line- in the wrong direction.

When it already burns more fuel/ set-mile than a 300ER, how is it going to fare against the 777X with 15% better ecconomy?
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Old 17th May 2013, 09:10
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If WKs plane is so super why does he get paid the same as the rest of us? Can't be as super as he thinks and he probably is not as super as he thinks he is either. Typical Big Watch, Small C0ck syndrome.
What else can he pontificate to us about? We are waiting White Knight. About how good it is here for you or your family? You office boy working 20 days a month and that is good for you and your family? It probably is good for you and your family because they only have to see you 10 days a month keeping in mind that widebody pilots at real airlines only WORK 10 days a month. We know it is good for you though.

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Old 17th May 2013, 09:38
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Ramius,

Funny that you agree with my statement, then you spout off a comment that is a perfect example of the kind of attitude that I'm talking about! As a matter of fact, I flew CRJs at my previous carrier. Maybe you can enlighten me since I'm just a lowly ex-CRJ guy. What exactly is it about the CRJ that makes anyone who flew it a bad pilot? Is it not an airplane? Is it not much more modern and more similar to what we fly here than say an MD-80? Just becuse the system in Europe is different and the first thing you fly out of flight school is an A320 don't act like that somehow makes you better than me. And what ex-CRJ guys are you speaking of that act like they know everything about aviation? The only people I see acting like that are people who never had to fly a CRJ because they were given an opportunity to fly a "real" airplane straight from a Cessna 172. If only I could fly with you maybe you could pull me from the depths of ignorance as an ex-CRJ pilot and show me how to fly a "real" airplane so I don't have to simply "try"and fail miserably anymore.
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Old 17th May 2013, 10:22
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Your management must p!ss themselves laughing every time they read PPRuNe, as the threads drift and then inevitably turn into slinging matches.
Perhaps you have lost sight of who the real enemy is...
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Old 17th May 2013, 10:32
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Be fair guys

forgetting that the ''super'' might have contributed bugger all to the bottom line.
There are five 'supers' each day to LHR, plus two from QF.
Staff travel to LHR is hopeless. What does that tell you?
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Old 17th May 2013, 10:50
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It doesn't say anything about yields and yields drive the airline, not load factors.
Airlines figured this out decades ago but 5.5 is still trying to get his head around this concept.
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Old 17th May 2013, 10:54
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What does that tell you?
That we upgrade almost 100 lucky punters to premium seats having paid peanuts for it ...... and there goes the bonus .....
(sorry for the drift, just couldn't let pass this one! )

I fullheartidly agree that the enemy sits in another palace.
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Old 17th May 2013, 10:54
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They surely must Mister, they surely must.
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Old 17th May 2013, 11:04
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Well, when it's a thread about lousy financial relults and the consequent lousy pay rise, I don't think a side conversation about WHY is that out or order.
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Old 17th May 2013, 11:16
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Perhaps our profit share money was distributed among the uninspired and maladroit design engineers at Airbus?

When you consider that their inefficient and overweight excrescence adds directly and massively to the bottom line at Emirates in the form of millions of dollars in underperformance penalty payments, delivery delay penalty payments, loss of use penalty payments related to wing repairs, well - fair is fair.
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Old 17th May 2013, 11:25
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It's oh-so-easy to turn the wind up key in an industry full of (over-inflated) egos......

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Old 17th May 2013, 12:16
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Correct.

But boy it's funny listening to en ex-RJ driver tell everybody in earshot everything there is to know about flying, and then watching them try to fly a widebody........
Haha funny that someone who makes this statement has the audacity to accuse anyone who calls him out on his arrogance as having an "over-inflated ego"! The irony in that reply just made my day. Thank you for the good laugh Ramius. Run along with your "sky god" attitude. Us ex-crj guys will continue to "TRY"...
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Old 17th May 2013, 15:24
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Airlines figured this out decades ago but 5.5 is still trying to get his head around this concept.
Thanks for doubting my intelligence. Word in the HQ is that our BELF is in the low 60s. which sounds reasonable.

Hence, I am going with:

3. Or some one is telling porky pies about the bottom line.
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Old 17th May 2013, 19:04
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BELF
For the dummies, what is BELF??
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Old 17th May 2013, 19:12
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Break Even Load Factor
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Old 17th May 2013, 23:30
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The 2012/13 BELF (taken from report) was 66.9%. This is a slight increase over previous years.

These are the numbers for from 2008/09 onwards.

64.1/64.4/63.6/65.9

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