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Old 16th May 2013, 08:51
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So true, moose and fatbus.

More an more we can hear such jewels on the radio here and we can read their awesome ASR's .... not to speak of having to listen to their infinite wisdom in the sim.

It makes you feel at home flying over the land of the great unwashed.

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Old 16th May 2013, 12:28
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WRT any Americans leaving....it's a numbers game. Now, those with U.S. passports make up the second largest group behind the U.K. Yes, there are still those innocents lined up at the door to enter, but with any large group here heading out of the door, it will create issues with manning and training. A very large number of U.S. pilots have recall rights, and they very likely will be exercising their recall after these latest two bucket fillers. I'm sure there won't be many a tear shed, if this forum is any indication, but who will get the last laugh in the final analysis? We'll see.

Even U.S. Airlines are giving pay raises AND profit shares/bonuses on half the money that EK made. But sorry, they didn't get new uniforms and a cute little Emirates/Qantas "book". And they didn't get to see their airline logo plastered all over every sporting event around the world. So I guess it's even; they get money and we get the privilege of seeing our logo. I know I feel the love.

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Old 16th May 2013, 14:14
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Is the hostility towards the Yanks because of genuine dislike or is there jealously because a lot will leave towards better airlines and salaries?
Please don't mention the Comms crap. A pilot can not speak like they are in Kindergarten when operating into places like ORD, ATL and LAX. It just takes too much time.
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Old 16th May 2013, 15:36
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If the US's retirement bubble is as bad as IATA believe it will be, then it won't just be the septics going back to the states. green cards for everyone! There are a lot of third world children here who would love to have a real country to go and live in. That might make them sit up and take notice.
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Old 16th May 2013, 16:45
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Originally Posted by new tomcat
Is the hostility towards the Yanks because of genuine dislike or is there jealously because a lot will leave towards better airlines and salaries?
I don't seen any hostility at all towards the Yanks (or Dixie Rebs), just discussion that many of our across-the-pond chums might wish to go back and fly a reserve line for the next 6 years on a 737/320
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Old 16th May 2013, 17:02
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White Knight-

Then you get a 1 for situational awareness.
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Old 16th May 2013, 17:10
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WK. as opposed to 95 hours, terms and conditions at the whim of the sand, no pay raises, etc. etc., all night flying every month. Yeah, you're right, would never want to go back to that. I love our rostering
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Old 16th May 2013, 17:12
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White Knight....

Don't think you've done your homework, old boy! The next few years have literally thousands of retiring pilots at the US majors and thus someone getting in on the "ground floor" of this soon to be major wave of hiring will more than likely be a new captain at the 6-7 year point vs the reserve you speak of.

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6-7 years to Capt then all should go, have a nice day , you will not be missed. No offense. EK will not not bow to any one nationality.
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Old 16th May 2013, 19:39
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Originally Posted by Laker
Then you get a 1 for situational awareness.
Thanks but my SA is fine; couldn't really give a stuff about what the Yanks do

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WK. as opposed to 95 hours, terms and conditions at the whim of the sand, no pay raises, etc. etc., all night flying every month. Yeah, you're right, would never want to go back to that. I love our rostering
Dream on old fellah. The Yankee outfits are also run by beancounters All night flying? Well, when you joined EK it was an all-night carrier. Grow up!!!!!

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will more than likely be a new captain at the 6-7 year point vs the reserve you speak of
Watch this space........................... You will STILL be on reserve and living in a caravan in LAX carpark

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Old 16th May 2013, 19:43
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Oh yeah; Did you mean 6-7 years to captain of 747, 340, MD-11 or EMB-190 or CRJ200 in your 40s and 50s????????????????????
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Old 16th May 2013, 20:47
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WK, you are so right. I did join EK when was, as you say, an all night carrier. The difference, 70 hours a month with the cooperation of rostering to help you out to get your ten to fifteen days off in a row per month. Got the log books to prove it.WK, couldn't agree more, why should anyone want to go fly a 737/320 for some crap carrier like Delta or Southwest or American (when new pay rates take affect) for 220k a year. Sure wouldn't be something I would want to do. I mean we are so much more closer to the center of the universe as pilots, flying wide bodies. To think one might have abide by a contract agreed to by management and pilots. The horror. Remember, these are guys that have recall rights already.
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Old 16th May 2013, 21:00
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Wow where does all of this hostility toward "Yanks" (as you say) come from? Every airline and every nationality has their "2 percent-ers" so to speak, but generalizing and bashing one large group of pilots here just makes you look like one of the "2 percent-ers" yourself. What American in this forum has acted like we are more important than anyone else or are going to "stick it to the man" by leaving? All I have seen is guys simply stating the fact that there are opportunities back home cropping up if/when they no longer feel like Dubai is the place for them.

Why is that so threatening to some? I think we all know that EK, just like any other airline for that matter, doesn't really care either way and will just bring along the next group of new joiners. If someone leaves to go back to their home country, who are you to criticize that decision or pretend that you know what is best for that individual? We are all part of the same group of pilots here are we not?

I can't imagine anyone is thrilled about the way things have gone here as of late, but why all the hateful and childish comments directed at other pilots or especially 1 nationality? Some of the attitudes and out of control egos around here toward fellow colleagues are the reason why we as pilots really are our own worst enemies at times. Working for a multinational airline must be tough for guys with such disdain for nationalities/cultures other than their own. Personally, I find it much easier to chalk up the jerks to being part of the 2%, and having the common sense and professionalism to show up to work without preconceived ideas and biases against any individual based on what passport they hold...
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Old 16th May 2013, 21:19
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Fatbus, why so hostile? If you read his post he said "not that management or the rest of the pilots will care". I think he was just pointing out that there are a lot of guys who will leave to go back. If that makes you happy then great but your unprovoked aggression seems misplaced. You hate Americans? No worries mate, that list is long but distinguished, hop in line.
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Old 16th May 2013, 21:33
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Oh and one more thing...the "anyone who flies a smaller plane than me is beneath me as a human being" attitude is way overplayed. Just because some choose quality of life and what job is best for them and their family over "I have to fly the biggest thing in the sky or my ego can't handle it" doesn't make them any less of a pilot or person. No need to act like being a captain of an A320 or even a CRJ200 makes you a failure in life.
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Old 17th May 2013, 02:06
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White Knight left BA under questionable circumstances and he hasn't forgotten it. He is a management lacky who goes into the office almost everyday trying to "save" the company and justify why he left BA.
His hostility towards Americans comes from another angle. He is jealous.
I don't know any narrowbody FO flying in the states living in a RV. After all when SW, DL, and AA just to name a few all pay their 737 FOs well north of $100,000 and they only have to work 12-13 days a month who wouldn't want to fly for those conditions, nationalites aside.
Then when you look at the widebody pay scales at the US majors you realize how underpaid we at EK are. A closer look tells us they only work 8-10 days a month and then it really hits home what EK is doing to us.
But it is good for you White Knight. Did you spend all of your "bonus" yet?
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Old 17th May 2013, 04:32
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So true Desert Slave,

I just want to "neck myself" when I get airborne and see 4000nm on the progress page.
LR/ULR is such a mind numbing experience (lucky for sudoku &#128515 not to mention the 0030 alarm clock. After 7 years, just 2 more months then back to the 'solar powered' minibus...thank heavens!

Quality of life 😎
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Old 17th May 2013, 04:55
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LHR, thanks for the explanation but I still can't figure why fatbus is such a dick. WK, I'd fly a damn Cessna for 200k with 19 days off and no back of the clock, so holster that sky god attitude about flying big jets, it really doesn't mean s#it. It's a good thing you don't like America because they probably wouldn't have you anyway, works out best for everyone. Now I'd like to present both of you with a little NY hospitality and cordially invite you to go f*ck yourselves.
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Old 17th May 2013, 05:12
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Anyone who says they wouldn't rather be in a Major in their home country than at EK is deep in rationalisation mode- and I LIKE EK!

Even with the latest setbacks, there are far worse places to be (as our hold pool shows), but only if the chance to work for a first rate carrier in a Western Country is not available.

I think it's a big call for an American with a few years invested here to leave and be at the bottom of a very long seniority list, but I completely understand and wish them all the best.

What would be REALLY nice is if the current situation in the states sorted out the truley apalling conditions available to the Regional pilots in the US, negioiated by the same Unions that maintain the enviable conditions enjoyed by the Major pilots and trumpeted about here.
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Old 17th May 2013, 05:40
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Flying Big Jets doesn't mean crap especially here since they all pay the same so the only pilots strutting around thinking they are cool for flying heavy iron are the ones in a serious need of a attitude readjustment. That was meant for you White Knight!
Why fly heavies at EK when you work more and get paid the same as 737 drivers at Majors? But it is good for you WK.
For some reason WK has something against Yanks. Fair enough he is entitled to his opinion and we are entitled to tell him what a dick he is. After all he does work in the office and we all know what kind of pilots and people work in the office.
WK are you happy with the two events that took place in the last week? The theft of our bonus and the 1/2 of a percent pay raise. You probably are such a company arsehole that they could cut your pay 50% and you would still be happpy to slave away for EK. What a dick!
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