EX TERMINATOR

I had intended to abandon my duty in this forum to make the truth known for the sake of the good people out there, simply because I thought at a certain stage that it was a waste of time and effort, plus the fact that it brought sour memories to ones mind. My tenure at PJ was and remains to be a sorrowful experience, which I have been trying to forget and overcome. But I decided to write again when I saw this post by a gentleman whom I had known to be a man of ethics and professionalism.
With your personal experience Sunnydolan with PJ, are you in the least surprised? When you and I were both employed by PJ we both kept a low profile not because we did not know the truth, but rather because we were hoping that things would change, plus the fact that I personally was tied by a bond. Now we are both free with significant losses and damage in various aspects of our lives and affairs. Still, I'm thankful and so should you. I also think that your experience with law suits in the UAE gives others a pretty good idea as to what to expect. Still, I think we should keep on educating people and making the truth known to others about this outfit and its corrupt management.
I wish you the best of luck.
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freddieclemenza

Look at this: Aero Liens List - Aviation Industry Claims, Liens, & Debt

Note Prestige Jet Chairman Hamed Al Hamed right there at the top of the list of aviation "Deadbeats".

The web site calls itself "Aero Liens List - Deadbeats can no longer fly under the radar."

KangarooFlyer

Nice job with your scoop:

Aero Liens List - Aviation Industry Claims, Liens, & Debt

Note Prestige Jet Chairman Hamed Al Hamed right there at the top of the list of aviation "Deadbeats".

Thank you for bringing this web site to our attention.

Fat Clemenza

gerry dolan is suing them??? I thought he was their buddy

EX TERMINATOR

Well FC.. Well, you and I, and now Gerry I am sure, know that Dollars are the only friends of the DDB's. Likewise, we all know that their number 1 enemy is ethics and principles!! I hope the rest of PJ employees learn from Gerry's and our mistake of having joined PJ in the 1st place.
Cheers!
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KangarooFlyer

Thank you, to all of you, who have responded to this thread. The best way to support the poor guy who is charged with criminal acts by this venal management is to continue to post to these threads every time they get to the bottom of PPRuNe Page 1 - let's keep all Prestige Jet threads active in order to keep the pressure on the company to renounce this heavy-handed effort of trumping-up false accusations in order to destroy somebody's life, merely because he's committed the "crime" of asking for his pay.

superspotter

With the greatest respect Kangaroo Flyer, do you think keeping the thread on the first page of Pprune makes the slightest difference?? They dont listen to their own Government but they are going to fall over backwards because Pprune castigates them??........

EX TERMINATOR

While I think Aero Liens is an efficient way of keeping people informed, I do not know what legal leverage it has over deadbeats like PJ. However, I wonder why there is no similar thing relating to flight safety violations VS compliance. That is what is indeed needed in the case of PJ. Moreover, it is very important that they be exposed to insurance companies, and lawyers of the VIP's who board their flights.
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RJSAviator76

If it ever comes between getting a trip done and PJ paying out their debt.... they'll pay out - always do, if their backs are against the wall.

Arnold Grayson

I have been requested to come to the Prestige Jet office tomorrow for a meeting with them. I will certainly bring up the issue of the company reputation. I am not in any real need of a job right now because I am on a good contract here in Jordan and they are hiring like gang busters back in the US. I would just like to see for myself what these guys are all about. Any tips or hints please forward them to me.

KangarooFlyer

Believe it or not, they are very annoyed by these PPRuNe threads, because it affects and impedes their efforts to recruit a new group of suckers who are seduced by the web site, the fancy offices and the slick charm of the CEO. These threads cause some applicants to not apply, some to decline interviews and some to decline job offers, when choosing between Prestige Jet and a reputable company.

Although the CEO doesn't care what anybody thinks, publicizing the name, complicity and actions of the Chairman, Hamed Al Hamed, does have some effect because of the culture of face-saving and hiding bad deeds behind subordinate lackeys; this is an unwanted embarrassment for Hamed, among his peers, demonstrating that he cannot keep his underlings under control.

By itself, a PPRuNe thread may have little discernible effect. But as part of a multi-pronged effort, enough pressure can be exerted in order to induce the company to pay its employees and those with court judgments, in order to quiet the landscape - until the next batch arrives at this point and does likewise.

We know it works because in February 2010 the company was ordered to pay up 3-4 months of salaries which were in arrears, and the CEO complains bitterly about the effect this is having on his relationship with Hamed.

KangarooFlyer

Oh, the management will be very charming and tell you all about their great plans for the company and not to listen to the sour grapes rabble-rousers, who are all bad pilots and thieves whom they had to sack. Here are some previous PPRuNe threads which, along with the three current threads, will give you a sense of the consistency of these stories:

http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/37...us-begins.html

http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/41...jet-truth.html

http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/42...jet-debts.html

http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/30...stige-jet.html

KangarooFlyer

You are correct, the employees and judgment-holders must avail themselves of every possible avenue to exert pressure. Alone, none might matter but as the crescendo builds, it will have an effect: pilots preferring to accept competing job offers, lessors and aircraft owners preferring not to entrust their asset to Prestige Jet.

And don't underestimate the value of the embarrassment to Hamed Al Hamed for tolerating and supporting this travesty, which is becoming an embarrassment to the government of Abu Dhabi, which has foolishly given it "government company" standing.

Gulfstreamaviator

Ask for all expenses to be transfered to your bank account, in advance, based on Business Class travel, and TWO nights in your prefered hotel, taxi rides etc, etc.

This is how I trated all interviews ion India. (so it must work the other way too.)

If they pay up, then GO if dont pay up dont GO.

glf

freddieclemenza

Mr. Arnold Grayson was the offer from Prestige Jet well?

KangarooFlyer

Yes, I second the request by freddieclemenza: As you requested advice from this forum and received such, it would be appreciated if you provided us with feedback from your interview with Prestige Jet. Thank you.

KangarooFlyer

Further to the above exchange, the word is going around that Faris Deeb has been on the market looking for a BBJ and was refused by at least one lessor which did not wish to provide its available aircraft due to Prestige Jet's bad reputation regarding payment to lessors and employees.

It also demonstrates that, apparently, they do have money for things like that but simply do not want to pay the employees.

freddieclemenza

Good writing, KangarooFlyer. Also include it effect customer who no wish to fly company who not pay employees who responsible for customer safety. Good publicize problem create pressure both sides, supplier and customer both.

rennaps

I read the entire "Prestige-jet..exodus begins" tread which goes right back to 2009.
If it wasn't so tragic for the people involved it would be farcical. I also noted that the people supporting the company and management, register make a few comments and then disappear, strange

If the company is so bad (and it seems so) how does it keep going?

sunnydolan

Rennaps,
When there is little work out there in the real world it is easy to get sucked into another persons fantasyland. Prestige Jet has master con men. They paint a picture of increasing fiscal health. They limit your exposure to the working masses until you are in. They hire from a pool that is vast. Many different situations all over the world make for an inexhaustible supply of people in a situation that need the work and "this is better than nothing". This is true until your first payday. When that comes and goes without pay, and the spiral starts. You start looking elsewhere, fast. Before you know it, you have been there long enough for your currency to run out and without an recurrent you are not marketable on the outside. It plays over time and time again. I made lifelong friends there at Prestige Jet, however the upper management is not counted in this group. I have felt the warm embrace of management all the while the cold dagger of deceit drives deeper into my being.