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Old 19th Mar 2018, 05:26
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I donít believe they tell you what you failed on or passed on. I think that has always been the policy . I heard that now if you are marginal on sim and failed that with nearly a pass they tell you that . Things may have changed .
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 06:05
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Originally Posted by Aviadorbrasil View Post
In my case that I failed at the psychometric... when I go to Dxb, probably I ll do just the psychometric again?
AS far as I know, no...you will do it all again, IF you are invited back. Remember you can re-apply after 6 months...its not an open invitation to come back for another go.

( I may be wrong, I stand to be corrected)
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 15:09
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Hello everyone. I looked a little through this discussion but couldn't find any info regarding average pilot experience required to get an interview with EK. I am asking for a friend and he has about 1600 hours TT and currently flying a Learjet in the US. I don't think it would help, but he also has a Master's degree. Would that be sufficient to get an interview? I looked at EK's website and saw that he would need at least 2000 hours (MTOW over 20T) but was wondering if those minimums are flexible or not.
Thanks in advance.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 18:57
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Originally Posted by saviboy View Post
Hello everyone. I looked a little through this discussion but couldn't find any info regarding average pilot experience required to get an interview with EK. I am asking for a friend and he has about 1600 hours TT and currently flying a Learjet in the US. I don't think it would help, but he also has a Master's degree. Would that be sufficient to get an interview? I looked at EK's website and saw that he would need at least 2000 hours (MTOW over 20T) but was wondering if those minimums are flexible or not.
Thanks in advance.
Well since the website asks for 2000hrs, I think itís pretty evident that is the minimum. No, itís NOT flexible nor should it be given what and where we fly. Get the hours and an interview will follow if he meets the criteria.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 20:32
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I failed at psyco test on day 2. They give me 2 years to apply again. Same period for the guys who failed on day 1. Seems to be the same period for everyone now.
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Old 20th Mar 2018, 00:51
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Originally Posted by flyinthesky View Post
Well since the website asks for 2000hrs, I think itís pretty evident that is the minimum. No, itís NOT flexible nor should it be given what and where we fly. Get the hours and an interview will follow if he meets the criteria.
It's not evident at all since many airlines have hard requirements but also soft requirements. "It shouldn't be flexible given what and where you fly" until the company can't find enough candidates with the current requirements and you will be saying the same thing about hiring people with 1000 hours.....
Thank you for the passive aggressive reply. Some people just can't be nice...
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Old 20th Mar 2018, 07:56
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I really hope EK doesn't hire FOs with 1600 TT!!!!!

But to answer your question, the answer is no.
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Old 20th Mar 2018, 09:14
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Originally Posted by flyinthesky View Post
itís NOT flexible nor should it be given what and where we fly
I do enjoy the laughable Emirates arrogance that theyíre more demanding than anyone else. You need the hours because of the way your training department, rostering and management operate, not because of what and where you fly.

Thereís nothing special about flying the 777 nor operating into most/all of the EK destinations. Plenty of pilots with less than 1600TT operate into JFK, Moscow, DXB etc etc very safely and efficiently with no issues.
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Old 20th Mar 2018, 09:41
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Actually you can have less than 2000hrs and apply.
If you have Boeing or Airbus time and an ATPL you can apply with less hrs (around 1800) as long as you have 2000 when you start.

I only have TP time but have applied anyway with less than 2k hrs as I was told I could at a pilot roadshow they just add you to the system and tell you to update them when you have the hours.

So answer is yes you can get an interview with less than 2000hrs.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 12:21
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Just seen on a German website that EK is having a roadshow in Germany.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 22:38
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Originally Posted by flyinthesky View Post
Well since the website asks for 2000hrs, I think itís pretty evident that is the minimum. No, itís NOT flexible nor should it be given what and where we fly. Get the hours and an interview will follow if he meets the criteria.
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'Given what and where we fly'....let me guess if you fly a 777 you must be a better pilot than a Learjet or A320 guy due to the size of your enormous jet!

I suppose flying international takes more skill than say flying domestic in the US out of the busiest airports in the world on a regional jet...

Hopefully one day all the plebs will reach your lofty standards!
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 00:50
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Originally Posted by Luggage View Post
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'Given what and where we fly'....let me guess if you fly a 777 you must be a better pilot than a Learjet or A320 guy due to the size of your enormous jet!

I suppose flying international takes more skill than say flying domestic in the US out of the busiest airports in the world on a regional jet...

Hopefully one day all the plebs will reach your lofty standards!
Having spent the beginning of my career flying out of those busy US airports (with great ATC) and then 15 years in the ME I can say, unequivocally, that flying a 777 around the world (as EK does) is far more demanding than a small jet (or any jet) around the US and North America.

It is NOT our lofty standards but the reality. Africa, ME, India and West Asia, polar routes, long ETOPS sectors, war zones like parts of Africa, Kabul, Iraq........ the list goes on.

The fact that you can't see that says enough!
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 11:47
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EK New Hire

Hello,

How long does it take between Assessment Days and actual start with the company? How often do they have new hire class?

Cheers
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 13:41
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Probably minimum rest nowadays...

Originally Posted by Dxpomme View Post
Hello,

How long does it take between Assessment Days and actual start with the company? How often do they have new hire class?

Cheers
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 14:29
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Hi.
As of today the unmentionable has open again its requirement for pilots.
Does anyone know what’s up now? A couple of months ago they furloughed some pilots.
Thanks.
AA
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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 15:24
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I am going to post this here to any potential new joiner, as my honest experience as a 777 FO at EK who has been here for 2 years. I created a new account just for this purpose because of the number of PM I receive asking what EK is like. Read into this as you will, this is my experience only and doesnít necessarily reflect on every FO in the company.

I came here with 15 years of flying experience, LHS/RHS, turbo prop and jet. I dreamed that after all of this I could take the next step in my career and fly a wide body. Here is the reality of that decision.

First of all, the joining process is very nice and well organised that you arrive to a ready and fully furnished apartment/villa, if that is what you chose. You are well looked after in your joining formalities. The type rating is reasonable and what I would have expected, since I have never flown a wide body before EK.

Line training is where reality begins to set in. You will be trained by training captains who have less than 1 year experience in the LHS of a 777. This should tell you enough. Donít expect any sort of practical training or how to fly a 777 properly, rather just a lot of company manual jargon that at the end of the day is of little use to a new FO. If you have flown a Boeing before, great then you can draw on that experience and teach yourself how to fly something bigger. If you havenít then tough luck you are on your own.

Beyond your training, now that you are checked to line and proud of yourself for being a qualified EK pilot, donít expect much on the line. Majority of commanders are friendly and relaxed but your opinion as an FO is all but worthless to most regardless of how much experience you have. I donít blame them, the company fosters this attitude by holding them responsible for every micro event that happens on a flight. So of course they take it upon themselves to make every decision and naturally distrust everyone around them. If you think you are going to come here and be respected as a professional, forget it. You could be flying into your home base, or a destination which you have flown into hundreds of time, it wonít make a difference. Do NOT expect to be valued at this company by anyone, period. Fear factor here is real and a big problem and it is only getting worse.

Fatigue, yes it is real and you wonít understand until you join. I was warned before hand but didnít understand until a year or so after. I fly about 90 hours a month and while that may not sound bad, it wears you down. After 2 years my wife and I have already noticed changes in my behaviour and lifestyle. I canít imagine what a decade or two here would be like. Imagine losing 1-2 nights of full sleep a week, 46 weeks a year. It isnít normal and it does affect you.

The pay check arrives on time each month and EK will leave you alone if you play by their rules and stay out of trouble. So far I havenít had any problems. The money is OK here but even since I have arrived with introduction of VAT, it is quickly eroding. In 5-10 years? Without a large increase it will be average at best. I am doubtful that the company will adapt to a changing industry, they have made that very clear. If you have a wife and kids, you probably wonít save a fil.

In summary, I suggest to new joiners that you consider EK if nothing else is available to you. I came here because I had to. I donít regret that, but I have realised that there is no long term career here. Maybe if you are resilient you can hold out for LHS (5-7yrs now) and then go somewhere else with that experience, but for me I know I cannot last this long. I will be leaving at the end of my contract. The entire industry is in a downward spiral, but EK is the epitome of that. I donít pretend that I know of a better airline out there, I do not. However I am tired both physically and emotionally and I dream of the day I can sleep in my own bed every night, without jet lag and stress of what tomorrow will bring. I hope I last that long. This place is very stressful and not normal, that is the best I can explain.



Good luck to all.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 00:47
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Guys and gals,

Listen to what dusty has to say. Completely agree with him. If you have other options, seriously consider them, otherwise...come and sign that 5 year commitment here. Will you regret it? You don't want to find out otherwise after 1 or 2 years...it will be a very expensive mistake.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 01:41
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The only part of Dusty's post above that causes me concern is that the FO's are not listened to. After all it's our careers and our licenses at stake too. If I was to be suggesting something that was more conservative to theirs I would expect them to acknowledge it, provided it's not totally retarded.

Don't get me wrong fatiuge is surely a big issue and as others have mentioned you wont know what it's like until you've done it but i've met far too many pilots who get upset at the lack of a 9-5 style work life balance. You're pilots! never was I under the impression that pilots have a normal sort of life in that respect. Many of my colleagues however really get uptight about the anti social hours and being unable to get time off for public holidays and birthdays etc...I got into this assuming this to be the case.

The mention of Jet lag is very strange, not only are you pilots but you willingly applied for a position as a LONG HAUL pilot....there's no way of avoiding jetlag! You manage it, however that may be, yes it's tough and even tougher if you have a family but the stories of pilots having had several failed marriages has been around longer that Emirates has so this is not an Emirates issue this is an issue with your career choice.

I was never under the impression that Emirates is a training airline. Line training is just a few sectors to get you comfortable on your new aircraft and get you accustomised to different procedures on different routes, such at varying ATC, Oceanic procedures, flying in Africa procedures (or lack therefore) as well as the SOP's, which I might add that once you have completed your sims during type rating you SHOULD be totally across. Too many people I feel are expecting their hand to be held.

No doubt all who disagree with my post are going to tear it to shreds, however it would be nice if those that are in agreement could also voice their opinion.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 08:40
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As a relatively long term ek employee I can second Dusty's well written piece.

This job has affected my personality and my ability to concentrate.
You can count on never ending schedules with min days off.

Another post by someone else basically said suck it up, this is the life of a long haul pilot.
Not true, at emirates you will fly a ulr.... Ultra long range flight once a month, two or three med range flights and the rest will be turn arounds.

It's not the 90 plus hours which will take it's toll but the way that schedule is built.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 10:10
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What is the latest procedure for assessment ?
can anyone elaborate 3 days process?
i was expecting online tests (compass test etc) before been invited there ... so does tht mean those test will be taken there ??
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