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Emirates (EK) Interview - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Old 27th Mar 2018, 23:50
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Originally Posted by Luggage View Post
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'Given what and where we fly'....let me guess if you fly a 777 you must be a better pilot than a Learjet or A320 guy due to the size of your enormous jet!

I suppose flying international takes more skill than say flying domestic in the US out of the busiest airports in the world on a regional jet...

Hopefully one day all the plebs will reach your lofty standards!
Having spent the beginning of my career flying out of those busy US airports (with great ATC) and then 15 years in the ME I can say, unequivocally, that flying a 777 around the world (as EK does) is far more demanding than a small jet (or any jet) around the US and North America.

It is NOT our lofty standards but the reality. Africa, ME, India and West Asia, polar routes, long ETOPS sectors, war zones like parts of Africa, Kabul, Iraq........ the list goes on.

The fact that you can't see that says enough!
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 10:47
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EK New Hire

Hello,

How long does it take between Assessment Days and actual start with the company? How often do they have new hire class?

Cheers
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 12:41
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Probably minimum rest nowadays...

Originally Posted by Dxpomme View Post
Hello,

How long does it take between Assessment Days and actual start with the company? How often do they have new hire class?

Cheers
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 13:29
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Hi.
As of today the unmentionable has open again its requirement for pilots.
Does anyone know what’s up now? A couple of months ago they furloughed some pilots.
Thanks.
AA
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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 14:24
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Join Date: Mar 2018
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Angel

I am going to post this here to any potential new joiner, as my honest experience as a 777 FO at EK who has been here for 2 years. I created a new account just for this purpose because of the number of PM I receive asking what EK is like. Read into this as you will, this is my experience only and doesnít necessarily reflect on every FO in the company.

I came here with 15 years of flying experience, LHS/RHS, turbo prop and jet. I dreamed that after all of this I could take the next step in my career and fly a wide body. Here is the reality of that decision.

First of all, the joining process is very nice and well organised that you arrive to a ready and fully furnished apartment/villa, if that is what you chose. You are well looked after in your joining formalities. The type rating is reasonable and what I would have expected, since I have never flown a wide body before EK.

Line training is where reality begins to set in. You will be trained by training captains who have less than 1 year experience in the LHS of a 777. This should tell you enough. Donít expect any sort of practical training or how to fly a 777 properly, rather just a lot of company manual jargon that at the end of the day is of little use to a new FO. If you have flown a Boeing before, great then you can draw on that experience and teach yourself how to fly something bigger. If you havenít then tough luck you are on your own.

Beyond your training, now that you are checked to line and proud of yourself for being a qualified EK pilot, donít expect much on the line. Majority of commanders are friendly and relaxed but your opinion as an FO is all but worthless to most regardless of how much experience you have. I donít blame them, the company fosters this attitude by holding them responsible for every micro event that happens on a flight. So of course they take it upon themselves to make every decision and naturally distrust everyone around them. If you think you are going to come here and be respected as a professional, forget it. You could be flying into your home base, or a destination which you have flown into hundreds of time, it wonít make a difference. Do NOT expect to be valued at this company by anyone, period. Fear factor here is real and a big problem and it is only getting worse.

Fatigue, yes it is real and you wonít understand until you join. I was warned before hand but didnít understand until a year or so after. I fly about 90 hours a month and while that may not sound bad, it wears you down. After 2 years my wife and I have already noticed changes in my behaviour and lifestyle. I canít imagine what a decade or two here would be like. Imagine losing 1-2 nights of full sleep a week, 46 weeks a year. It isnít normal and it does affect you.

The pay check arrives on time each month and EK will leave you alone if you play by their rules and stay out of trouble. So far I havenít had any problems. The money is OK here but even since I have arrived with introduction of VAT, it is quickly eroding. In 5-10 years? Without a large increase it will be average at best. I am doubtful that the company will adapt to a changing industry, they have made that very clear. If you have a wife and kids, you probably wonít save a fil.

In summary, I suggest to new joiners that you consider EK if nothing else is available to you. I came here because I had to. I donít regret that, but I have realised that there is no long term career here. Maybe if you are resilient you can hold out for LHS (5-7yrs now) and then go somewhere else with that experience, but for me I know I cannot last this long. I will be leaving at the end of my contract. The entire industry is in a downward spiral, but EK is the epitome of that. I donít pretend that I know of a better airline out there, I do not. However I am tired both physically and emotionally and I dream of the day I can sleep in my own bed every night, without jet lag and stress of what tomorrow will bring. I hope I last that long. This place is very stressful and not normal, that is the best I can explain.



Good luck to all.
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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 23:47
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Guys and gals,

Listen to what dusty has to say. Completely agree with him. If you have other options, seriously consider them, otherwise...come and sign that 5 year commitment here. Will you regret it? You don't want to find out otherwise after 1 or 2 years...it will be a very expensive mistake.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 00:41
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The only part of Dusty's post above that causes me concern is that the FO's are not listened to. After all it's our careers and our licenses at stake too. If I was to be suggesting something that was more conservative to theirs I would expect them to acknowledge it, provided it's not totally retarded.

Don't get me wrong fatiuge is surely a big issue and as others have mentioned you wont know what it's like until you've done it but i've met far too many pilots who get upset at the lack of a 9-5 style work life balance. You're pilots! never was I under the impression that pilots have a normal sort of life in that respect. Many of my colleagues however really get uptight about the anti social hours and being unable to get time off for public holidays and birthdays etc...I got into this assuming this to be the case.

The mention of Jet lag is very strange, not only are you pilots but you willingly applied for a position as a LONG HAUL pilot....there's no way of avoiding jetlag! You manage it, however that may be, yes it's tough and even tougher if you have a family but the stories of pilots having had several failed marriages has been around longer that Emirates has so this is not an Emirates issue this is an issue with your career choice.

I was never under the impression that Emirates is a training airline. Line training is just a few sectors to get you comfortable on your new aircraft and get you accustomised to different procedures on different routes, such at varying ATC, Oceanic procedures, flying in Africa procedures (or lack therefore) as well as the SOP's, which I might add that once you have completed your sims during type rating you SHOULD be totally across. Too many people I feel are expecting their hand to be held.

No doubt all who disagree with my post are going to tear it to shreds, however it would be nice if those that are in agreement could also voice their opinion.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 07:40
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As a relatively long term ek employee I can second Dusty's well written piece.

This job has affected my personality and my ability to concentrate.
You can count on never ending schedules with min days off.

Another post by someone else basically said suck it up, this is the life of a long haul pilot.
Not true, at emirates you will fly a ulr.... Ultra long range flight once a month, two or three med range flights and the rest will be turn arounds.

It's not the 90 plus hours which will take it's toll but the way that schedule is built.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 09:10
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What is the latest procedure for assessment ?
can anyone elaborate 3 days process?
i was expecting online tests (compass test etc) before been invited there ... so does tht mean those test will be taken there ??
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 06:32
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Hi Cough. I understand what you are saying, as pilots we signed up for an unusual schedule and most of us accept that. However what EK rosters is beyond that, it is abuse. I have flown mid haul 24/7 operation before, but it was not like this.

If you lost a nights sleep, it was once a month or two instead of once or twice a week. It is not sustainable and it hit me hard after about a year on the line. After that it does not go away because there is no structure to the roster. You will go from midnight starts to early morning, midday, late and anywhere in between in one week, mixing between ULR/mid and turn arounds. You can't understand it until you experience it. I say this because I know, and I was warned before I came here but could not fathom it. Some people deal with it better than others, but not me.

What you say about training might have been true 5 years ago, but EK now hires pilots with no jet experience whatsoever. Some with only 2000 hours total. Consider this example. You are on your first training flight, you don't perform the best landing and the training captain "intervenes" and therefore must grade you a score of 2. You are thus sent back to the simulator. How is this a positive training environment for a new joiner who has perhaps never flown a jet before?
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Old 6th Apr 2018, 04:51
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Originally Posted by dustyflightdeck View Post

If you lost a nights sleep, it was once a month or two instead of once or twice a week. It is not sustainable and it hit me hard after about a year on the line. After that it does not go away because there is no structure to the roster. You will go from midnight starts to early morning, midday, late and anywhere in between in one week, mixing between ULR/mid and turn arounds. You can't understand it until you experience it. I say this because I know, and I was warned before I came here but could not fathom it. Some people deal with it better than others, but not me.
This right here. Waking up seeing some dim light under the curtains as your asking yourself where am I and is that dusk or dawn light 😁🤔. It will mess with you after a while. QOL and health is so much more important than the plane you fly or seat you are in. EK could be a great gig. But they refuse to make it one.
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Old 6th Apr 2018, 15:09
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If you lost a nights sleep, it was once a month or two instead of once or twice a week. It is not sustainable and it hit me hard after about a year on the line. After that it does not go away because there is no structure to the roster. You will go from midnight starts to early morning, midday, late and anywhere in between in one week, mixing between ULR/mid and turn arounds. You can't understand it until you experience it. I say this because I know, and I was warned before I came here but could not fathom it. Some people deal with it better than others, but not me.
If you put yourself in the companyís shoes, how should they go about sorting out the issues of having ULRs mixed around with TAs? This is not a trick question, I genuinely would like to know. Was the ďshort haulĒ type roster (5 on/4 off) brought up at the pilot forum last week?

I actively avoid ULRs, and have been very successful recently. My sleep pattern has drastically improved as a result and there are always enough guys that are willing to take your ULRs. As u said, some guys deal with it better than others, so personally a night in Jakarta (DXB +3) beats 2 nights in Seattle any day!
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 07:55
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Chopper Reid said “��Harden the f$&@k up!”
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 21:51
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Do NOT expect to be valued at this company by anyone, period.

Whaaaat?
Utter bollocks, and you know it
SOME might not listen to you, but most will. Period.
Unless you come up with some weird stuff, like 'you should engage the AP as soon as possible after TO, Captain, or we might be in trouble with the company in case you fu.. up'.
I'm sure my reputation precedes me, and I know I'm average at best, but seriously?

I have not seen the face of fear factor here in EK the last 15+ years, but I'm sure there might be some with a few of my fellow aviators. But not many.

Originally Posted by dustyflightdeck View Post

Beyond your training, now that you are checked to line and proud of yourself for being a qualified EK pilot, don’t expect much on the line. Majority of commanders are friendly and relaxed but your opinion as an FO is all but worthless to most regardless of how much experience you have. I don’t blame them, the company fosters this attitude by holding them responsible for every micro event that happens on a flight. So of course they take it upon themselves to make every decision and naturally distrust everyone around them. If you think you are going to come here and be respected as a professional, forget it. You could be flying into your home base, or a destination which you have flown into hundreds of time, it won’t make a difference. Do NOT expect to be valued at this company by anyone, period. Fear factor here is real and a big problem and it is only getting worse.
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Old 8th Apr 2018, 19:44
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dear colleagues,

I really do agree with most of the points mentioned here, but one thing I do not understand. To say it's impossible to put some money in your own pocket at the end of the month is simply not true. I have three kids, happily married, and yes life is tough, but I am still able to safe. How? I drive a small car, avoid shopping malls and try to put aside as much as possible. Where is the point to stay in UAE as an expat without saving some money?
Yes it's true, its getting crazy expansive here, but speaking for me, if I am unable to put an amount x aside monthly, I am leaving this place. There is no point of staying, if you not. Money compared to the rest of the world is still ok, the rest is, let's call it, xxxxxxxx.
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Old 8th Apr 2018, 20:06
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Originally Posted by AERO75 View Post
dear colleagues,

I really do agree with most of the points mentioned here, but one thing I do not understand. To say it's impossible to put some money in your own pocket at the end of the month is simply not true. I have three kids, happily married, and yes life is tough, but I am still able to safe. How? I drive a small car, avoid shopping malls and try to put aside as much as possible. Where is the point to stay in UAE as an expat without saving some money?
Yes it's true, its getting crazy expansive here, but speaking for me, if I am unable to put an amount x aside monthly, I am leaving this place. There is no point of staying, if you not. Money compared to the rest of the world is still ok, the rest is, let's call it, xxxxxxxx.
+1.

Even Cabin Crew are able to save after a few years as well. Although most don't have families/etc.
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Old 9th Apr 2018, 05:46
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To say you canít save is just BS! Iíve been at EK for 11 years and have 3 kids. Think of it this way; live how you would in your own country. Have a car, go out for the occasional dinner and drinks, go on holiday, take the kids out (plenty of Platinum and APC offers), put good internet and tv at home, go to work and DO NOT speak to the neighbors about the company. The last suggestion will dictate how long your EK career will last, I canít emphasize this enough. Your life and your familyís life will be fine if you sit at home on a Friday night watching a movie with them then standing outside your villa with a glass or bottle in your hand talking about the last email that came through or lastest FCI. You wouldnít do that in your home country so try not doing it here!

Just my 2 fils
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Old 9th Apr 2018, 06:38
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seems the majority of people that have a stern hatred for emirates are the 777 crew. Any input from the 380 crew? I hear it's not that bad.

DISCLAIMER: I am not an EK employee, but I'm getting a paid trip to Dubai.
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Old 9th Apr 2018, 13:14
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Originally Posted by JAAirbusPilot View Post
seems the majority of people that have a stern hatred for emirates are the 777 crew. Any input from the 380 crew? I hear it's not that bad.

DISCLAIMER: I am not an EK employee, but I'm getting a paid trip to Dubai.
lol, both 777 and 380 pilots have a hatred for Emirates. So do Cabin Crew/Ground Staff/etc...
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Old 10th Apr 2018, 05:21
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Interview

Just cancelled my interview with EK. Wont apply again unless there is a major overhaul of EVERYTHING!!!

Life is too short and I have a 10 month old baby. She means more to me than any job and Im not prepared to be away from her and my wife all the time with min days off just to fly a 777.

Wish all the best to current and future EK pilots but there is just too much unhappiness out there from current and past pilots for all of this to be a coincidence.

EK like CX has serious problems stemming from the global financial crisis where they knew pilots were desperate for jobs but dont seem to have realised the tide has turned.

I know myself too well and will get angry and just walk out on them out of pure frustration...not what I need in my life.

Good luck to all future applicants though...hope it pays of for you
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