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Emirates (EK) Interview - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Old 14th Dec 2015, 15:06
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Potential new joiners, take some time to read the "reasons not to join Emirates" thread, particularly this page

This basically sums up what you are signing up for. Fatigue/health, lack of leave and diminishing family time at home, now they kick you while you're down.
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Old 15th Dec 2015, 04:51
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Xiamen,

There are not that many ulr's on the 777. And the few remaining nice ones that haven't gone to a380 are very popular. So there will be many months where you don't fly any ulr's. Expect to do well over 90 hours in these months consisting of night turnarounds and other horribly timed flights. This 90+ figure is not reduced when you have the sim or leave. It's just squeezed in and makes the month even harder.
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Old 15th Dec 2015, 07:09
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But you can't fly 90+ hrs every month and 100+ in December? That is more than 1100 hrs! EK would be grounded in December as all of you would run out of hrs!
How many hrs do you fly (unfactored) in a year, and what are the maximum allowed?
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Old 15th Dec 2015, 08:10
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Xiamen--its is simple, you will fly 900 hours per year (or close to it) --UNFACTORED. More than that if you include the bunk time on any ULR's. You will get 30 days leave. All this means you will average close to 90 hours a month in the seat (some higher , some lower). Your 5 sim sessions, 3 ground school days and any other duties will not be counted in any way.
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Old 15th Dec 2015, 10:36
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Wat are the target block hours (beyond which productivity pay shall start) for a 28,29,30 or 31 day month ?
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Old 15th Dec 2015, 11:34
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Originally Posted by T7flyer77 View Post
Wat are the target block hours (beyond which productivity pay shall start) for a 28,29,30 or 31 day month ?
31 = 88h
30 = 85h
29 = 82h
28 = 79h
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Old 15th Dec 2015, 11:44
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Thanks ... !
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Old 15th Dec 2015, 18:58
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STAY AWAY! Save yourself from having to dance with the devil.😉
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Old 16th Dec 2015, 10:23
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But you can't fly 90+ hrs every month and 100+ in December? That is more than 1100 hrs!

I think he got it finally!
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Old 16th Dec 2015, 10:38
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Yes, I do. The numbers do not add up.
With or without factoring, either you fly a lot less than you claim, or you have a lot more time off.
Are you guys lying in order to scare people off?
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Old 16th Dec 2015, 11:32
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Xiamen...listen to what you are being told....or stop asking.
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Old 16th Dec 2015, 11:43
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Xiamen if you think this place is some sort of paradise, do us all a favour join.
Then perhaps, some of us might see our hours go down by 5 mins a year.
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Old 16th Dec 2015, 12:20
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Xiaman----the math is basic. 90 hours a month times 10 months is 900 hours. The next 42 days are vacation. That leaves a half month. We havn't even taken into consideration factoring and bunk time. Or the fact that any training is not included in that time.
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Old 16th Dec 2015, 14:46
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I love it when I fly with newish guys and they start to get that mildly confused look in their eyes.

I normally say something along the lines of, 'you read PPRuNe, didn't believe any of it, and even if you did, you thought it would be different for you... Am I right?'

Newbie stares at shoelaces...
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Old 16th Dec 2015, 15:06
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Why do EK pilots feel the need to bash our airline?

I come on PPRuNe and read these threads, and wonder how my experience could be so different than everyone else? I read about fatigue and flying too much.

My schedule this month.. did one r/t Athens, and upcoming I have two r/t's to Seattle, with a week in between trips. Total flying days in December? Five. Fatiguing? I think not. This is by far the best job I can imagine having.
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Old 16th Dec 2015, 15:26
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Lies, damn lies, statistics -- and what you said.

Emirates rostering practices are terrible.

The single greatest treat to safety/security in Emirates is FATIGUE.

ANYONE joining this airline is going to suffer - health and family life will suffer.

Last edited by TCU LUX; 16th Dec 2015 at 15:48. Reason: mispelling
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Old 16th Dec 2015, 15:45
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The single greatest treat to safety/security in Emirates is FATIGUE.

ANYONE joining this airline is going to suffer - health and family life will suffer
I disagree, my friend.

The single greatest threat to safety/security at Emirates is BAD ATTITUDES. The bad attitudes must end.

I have so much pride about what I have helped build here at Emirates. I have helped build what is the envy of many. The only thing that can hurt us is bad attitudes. As I am fond of saying, if you don't like it here -- LEAVE! We do not need negativity at our crown jewel of an airline.
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Old 16th Dec 2015, 15:49
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Sure it's the pilots fault.

So I'm off the read 'The Secret'

All will be fine then - a bed of roses ...thanks for the tip
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Old 16th Dec 2015, 16:57
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KCW, I'm guessing you are Emirati, management, a troll or possibly all three?

It is an impressive airline, but it only got to be that way on the backs of hard working employees who have seen their conditions continually eroded. If so many people have a bad attitude you have to begin to wonder why that might be.
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Old 16th Dec 2015, 17:50
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BigG, I laughed so hard I fired tea out of my nose when I read KCW's last post. Did a look back, he was flying a DA2000 from SFO a year or so ago, got lots of experience over here then...

"The bad attitudes must stop"!!! Seriously dude, what planet are you on. It's that 'attitude' that's got the company where it is today. The management don't even consider us as lumps of meat. To them, we're nothing more than robots, devoid of any needs other than to lay down our lives for this company. IT'S A SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP, not a 'keep pushing them regardless' relationship that works in corporations of this size and the sooner they realise this, the sooner we will stop telling people on the outside exactly how it is. Or maybe we will start posting about how good it is...

Pride, you say. The management have very effectively taken away any pride that most of the pilots who've been here more than a couple of years ever had. I'll tell you what's left when you take pride away, resentment, resignation and a lack of motivation.

You're fond of saying 'if you don't like it leave'... Oh that's a good attitude... Come to think of it, that's exactly what's happening now, and I suspect it'll only get worse this year. Be careful what you 'fondly' wish for.

You've been here, what, less than 2 years and all of a sudden you've got the problems solved.

Last edited by sluggums; 16th Dec 2015 at 18:01. Reason: Realised Mr. Big was a newbie.
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