No fatigue at EK...no, no, no, no.
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No fatigue at EK...no, no, no, no.
The cabin crew have now been told they are no longer able to cite fatigue as a reason for illness.
This is how this company manages fatigue...it legislates it out of existence.
This is how this company manages fatigue...it legislates it out of existence.
You know, nothing gets up my nose quite as much as someone calling an employment practice "Slavery" (except, perhaps, comparing anyone someone doesn't like to the Nazis.)
Millions of human beings were abducted from their homes, shoved into horrific slaving ships, many dying excruciating deaths on the voyage, only to be live out their lives in poverty and humiliation, often separated from their families as they were sold like cattle, and subject to savage beatings if they transgressed.
You didn't get to give three months notice to no longer be a slave.
Immoral Sheiky? It is immoral to use the word slavery as you do, as it is completely disrespectful to the millions who endured trhe real thing.
Do you wear Reebok's or Nike's? Wear clothes from, well, just about anyone? MUCH closer to slavery than being an Emirates FA. Conscientiously objected to the rag trade Sheiky? Or just a hypocrite?
If this is true it's very bad management, and an indictment on our Cabin crew leadership.
But lets not talk complete ****e, shall we?
Millions of human beings were abducted from their homes, shoved into horrific slaving ships, many dying excruciating deaths on the voyage, only to be live out their lives in poverty and humiliation, often separated from their families as they were sold like cattle, and subject to savage beatings if they transgressed.
You didn't get to give three months notice to no longer be a slave.
Immoral Sheiky? It is immoral to use the word slavery as you do, as it is completely disrespectful to the millions who endured trhe real thing.
Do you wear Reebok's or Nike's? Wear clothes from, well, just about anyone? MUCH closer to slavery than being an Emirates FA. Conscientiously objected to the rag trade Sheiky? Or just a hypocrite?
If this is true it's very bad management, and an indictment on our Cabin crew leadership.
But lets not talk complete ****e, shall we?
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Don't be too hard on wizofoz, motley flight crue. He knows a bit about fatigue at EK as he took an SKF (sick with fatigue) day himself recently. The day wasn't totally wasted though; he made eight wizofoz posts on PPRuNe at regular intervals between 0900 and 1930.
Here's a question for the Moderators. May I propose a poll? The title would be: Is wizofoz the most tedious and boring regular poster on the Middle East forum with the possible exception of 411A? If the vote is yes then maybe wizofoz should be banned from the Middle East forum and confined to his other hangouts of Tech Log and D & G. Seems fair to me.
Here's a question for the Moderators. May I propose a poll? The title would be: Is wizofoz the most tedious and boring regular poster on the Middle East forum with the possible exception of 411A? If the vote is yes then maybe wizofoz should be banned from the Middle East forum and confined to his other hangouts of Tech Log and D & G. Seems fair to me.
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Wow,
Gees, WTF your fascination with me is becoming an obsession. To take the time (at 2:41am!!) to troll my roster and posting record, just to continue you personal vendetta against me...
Well, I guess everyone needs a hobby!
Oh, and Motley-
Err, yeah....
There's a use of written English to make every Aussies heart soar with pride...
Gees, WTF your fascination with me is becoming an obsession. To take the time (at 2:41am!!) to troll my roster and posting record, just to continue you personal vendetta against me...
Well, I guess everyone needs a hobby!
Oh, and Motley-
WIZ....... you loser............everyone sick of you, 2000+posts,
get a life u cave dwelling hermit. As an aussie I hate the fact we are from
the same place
get a life u cave dwelling hermit. As an aussie I hate the fact we are from
the same place
There's a use of written English to make every Aussies heart soar with pride...
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..for heaven's sake
One reason I don't make a lot of posts (and this is a classic example) is because rather than discussing the topic of the post, idiots like yourselves hijack the post itself and start on your childish squabbles about who has the largest or smallest apendage!!!!!
For heaven's sake..this is about fatigue...about how management is not just ignoring what is fast becoming a critical issue, but are indeed deliberately sweeping it under the carpet by preventing cabin crew from even reporting it. Next will be flight crew. They are even issuing warning letters to pilots for calling sick (perhaps justified in some cases...but a worrying trend).
Now if you children can't join a mature and serious debate, then go someplace else. It's my thread and you're not playing with it.
For heaven's sake..this is about fatigue...about how management is not just ignoring what is fast becoming a critical issue, but are indeed deliberately sweeping it under the carpet by preventing cabin crew from even reporting it. Next will be flight crew. They are even issuing warning letters to pilots for calling sick (perhaps justified in some cases...but a worrying trend).
Now if you children can't join a mature and serious debate, then go someplace else. It's my thread and you're not playing with it.
Agred, KC, It just gets on my tit when people subsitute debate and discussion with hysterical hyperbola.
As I said, if this is true it is an example of the extremely poor management that seems to be part and parcel afo Flight Attending at most airlines.
As their primary role is an operational saftey one, flight ops really needs to step in.
I for one will ASR any incident when an F/A has felt too intimidated to call fatigued.
AS WTF has kindly pointed out, the use of SKF is a saftey necessity in the current high-workload evironment.
As I said, if this is true it is an example of the extremely poor management that seems to be part and parcel afo Flight Attending at most airlines.
As their primary role is an operational saftey one, flight ops really needs to step in.
I for one will ASR any incident when an F/A has felt too intimidated to call fatigued.
AS WTF has kindly pointed out, the use of SKF is a saftey necessity in the current high-workload evironment.
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Cut the personal stuff out guys - any more goes in the bin.
And no, there won't be any inane polls conducted.
Bit of mid-summer madness creeping in here.
4HP
And no, there won't be any inane polls conducted.
Bit of mid-summer madness creeping in here.
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EK Fatigue
Forum-"a place where people can exchange opinions and ideas on a particular issue; a meeting organized for this purpose."
"In ancient Rome- a public place where meetings were held."
Thorndike/Barnehart Dictionary.(old, but you get the point)
"where people can exchange opinions and ideas"
Cheers
"In ancient Rome- a public place where meetings were held."
Thorndike/Barnehart Dictionary.(old, but you get the point)
"where people can exchange opinions and ideas"
Cheers
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WTF, I think the point is that some like WIZ are finding it's a bit more fatiguing to work at Emirates now compared to what it was like for those who "joined" Ansett back in late 1989 flying 767s etc. 
Hence the use of SKFs.
Domestic ops are golden.
Hence the use of SKFs.
Domestic ops are golden.
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BO,
You obviously weren't based in Sydney, with 80% of the flying being SYD-PER-SYD overnight for around 3 years solid.
Absolutley the most fatiguing period of my life.
You obviously weren't based in Sydney, with 80% of the flying being SYD-PER-SYD overnight for around 3 years solid.
Absolutley the most fatiguing period of my life.
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Wiz,
You just have an answer for everything, don't you? We get it, Emirates is better than every other job/airline you ever worked for, in your eyes.
It is absolutely NOT a complete hyperbolic leap to use the word "slavery" to describe much of the conditions endured by our cabin crew. Far more than flight deck, many of them are completely constrained by the economic conditions and obligations (ie extended families) in their home countries. While there are certainly a few here for a few laughs before heading back to Sydney with a tan, more and more are coming from parts of the world where desperation is the motivation. So to remove such a basic thing as to deny someone the right to declare themself too exhausted to work, while at the same time constantly increase their workload, when they have no legitimate alternative employment options...sounds like slavery to me. Your speaking of the "three month option to leave" is just a variation of the "if you don't like it leave" bullsh#t non-argument. For many it is NOT an option.
No, they aren't chained together singing Swing Low Sweet Chariot. But to enslave is all about controlling others, and that is the clear aim here. But then, Emirates specializes in exploiting others misfortunes. I know, I know, just good business in your world.
btw, it tends to weaken your complaint about rhetoric when you go on about Nazism and sweatshops....not sure where THAT rant was going...
You just have an answer for everything, don't you? We get it, Emirates is better than every other job/airline you ever worked for, in your eyes.
It is absolutely NOT a complete hyperbolic leap to use the word "slavery" to describe much of the conditions endured by our cabin crew. Far more than flight deck, many of them are completely constrained by the economic conditions and obligations (ie extended families) in their home countries. While there are certainly a few here for a few laughs before heading back to Sydney with a tan, more and more are coming from parts of the world where desperation is the motivation. So to remove such a basic thing as to deny someone the right to declare themself too exhausted to work, while at the same time constantly increase their workload, when they have no legitimate alternative employment options...sounds like slavery to me. Your speaking of the "three month option to leave" is just a variation of the "if you don't like it leave" bullsh#t non-argument. For many it is NOT an option.
No, they aren't chained together singing Swing Low Sweet Chariot. But to enslave is all about controlling others, and that is the clear aim here. But then, Emirates specializes in exploiting others misfortunes. I know, I know, just good business in your world.
btw, it tends to weaken your complaint about rhetoric when you go on about Nazism and sweatshops....not sure where THAT rant was going...
Edited cause know what? I quit.
NLH, WTF you win. Go on with what MUST be your miserable lives if the views you display here actually reflect you attitudes. Obviously it is just not acceptable to express any view on any subject which are not doom, gloom and every thing is bad.
Please forgive me if I continue to enjoy life, I know you don't find that acceptable.
Pprune used to be a usful source of information and place where spirited debate was possible.
Now it's a wailing wall for serial whingers.
Carry on.....
NLH, WTF you win. Go on with what MUST be your miserable lives if the views you display here actually reflect you attitudes. Obviously it is just not acceptable to express any view on any subject which are not doom, gloom and every thing is bad.
Please forgive me if I continue to enjoy life, I know you don't find that acceptable.
Pprune used to be a usful source of information and place where spirited debate was possible.
Now it's a wailing wall for serial whingers.
Carry on.....
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Gentlemen, PLEASE!!!
let's bring the threat back where it belongs....
Stop fighting each other...
It was about Fatigue in EK and not about different opinions of different people...
I say:
I AM FATIGUED IN EK! And i still like it here.
But too much is too much!!!
And they keep pushing us... If there will be some metall bending (i really don't hope so), then at least we did make it public in PPRUNE!
No where else can we complain... right?
Safe flying
FHM
let's bring the threat back where it belongs....
Stop fighting each other...
It was about Fatigue in EK and not about different opinions of different people...
I say:
I AM FATIGUED IN EK! And i still like it here.
But too much is too much!!!
And they keep pushing us... If there will be some metall bending (i really don't hope so), then at least we did make it public in PPRUNE!
No where else can we complain... right?
Safe flying
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Ya, I'm tired too...
Ya, I'm tired too, but I still like the job.
One problem that I have seen is that, although you are limited to two ULR's a month, you might be in Japan one day, back through DXB for a couple of nights then off to SFO.
Even worse, you might end up back to back at the end of one month and then do it all over at the beginning of the next.
If we could stay to "one side" of Dubai that might be better.
I don't think planning takes this into account.
T
One problem that I have seen is that, although you are limited to two ULR's a month, you might be in Japan one day, back through DXB for a couple of nights then off to SFO.
Even worse, you might end up back to back at the end of one month and then do it all over at the beginning of the next.
If we could stay to "one side" of Dubai that might be better.
I don't think planning takes this into account.
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I thought the GCAA started the process of the R.O.S.I report last year, and fatigue is one of the box's to tick. could be wrong ?
start getting on the internet to put it down, from the GCAA website.
start getting on the internet to put it down, from the GCAA website.