No fatigue at EK...no, no, no, no.
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I'm also interested to know the status of the FAA visit that was purported to be taking place this month (August), a requested IASA inspection of the GCAA and the UAE airlines.
Any word on that?
A good hard look at the "surveillance, licensing, and safety oversight" practices of the GCAA might be just what the doctor ordered...
IASA
Any word on that?
A good hard look at the "surveillance, licensing, and safety oversight" practices of the GCAA might be just what the doctor ordered...
IASA
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GCAA and ROSI
Was beginning to think I was the only one who had ever heard of the GCAA's recently launched ROSI system, so thanks to Fluffy5 and Instant Hooligan for also bringing it up.
Started on 1st Jan this year, ROSI is the GCAA's collation centre for all Air Safety Reports across UAE operators and licence holders - that's us folks!
Is fatigue an issue at your UAE based airline? Well if you think so then the GCAA is wanting to hear from you via their ROSI system. Check online for the details, including contact phone numbers, email address and report filing method.
GCAA - Reporting Of Safety Incident (ROSI)
Started on 1st Jan this year, ROSI is the GCAA's collation centre for all Air Safety Reports across UAE operators and licence holders - that's us folks!
Is fatigue an issue at your UAE based airline? Well if you think so then the GCAA is wanting to hear from you via their ROSI system. Check online for the details, including contact phone numbers, email address and report filing method.
GCAA - Reporting Of Safety Incident (ROSI)
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A tad concerned that someone has not heard of ROSI
I believed that the GCAA required all operators to advise ALL operational staff of ROSI several moons ago.
Did EK not advise staff of its existance, as like CHIRP, (which any person not just UK) can input safety concerns.
glf
Did EK not advise staff of its existance, as like CHIRP, (which any person not just UK) can input safety concerns.
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I dont know anyone who would trust the GCAA to keep anything anonymous..
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Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum is the President of the Department of Civil Aviation as well as being Chief Executive and Chairman of The Emirates Group.
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Hey Wiz of Oz... you slave driving Nazi! 
(Totally kidding... couldn't resist after the acrimonious exchange earlier...)
Anyhoo... the meeting announcing ROSI took place on Emirates Airline property earlier this year, at the auditorium at the NC.
Emirates, who clearly must know of this initiative have said the square root of %$&# - all on the matter.
Interesting? Not really.
Don't try to pretend the GCAA really cares. They don't.
(Totally kidding... couldn't resist after the acrimonious exchange earlier...)
Anyhoo... the meeting announcing ROSI took place on Emirates Airline property earlier this year, at the auditorium at the NC.
Emirates, who clearly must know of this initiative have said the square root of %$&# - all on the matter.
Interesting? Not really.
Don't try to pretend the GCAA really cares. They don't.
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Re Sheikh Ahmed......
I'm not suggesting that he couldn't hold influence in the GCAA, but can we please stop mistaking the DCA for the GCAA?
Department of Civil Aviation=Airport Operator
GCAA=Regulatory Body
There is a big difference, however, as I said I believe the relationship between Emirates and the GCAA might be a bit too cozy.
I believe there was a message floating around from BM that the EK ASR reporting procedure was adequate and the ROSI was not required to be filed. Begs the question, if it was not meant for the UAE's largest operator just who was it meant for? How much safety data could they expect to gather from the other "small" operators? If it wasn't meant for EK pilots to fill it out, it was a wasted effort really.
I'm not suggesting that he couldn't hold influence in the GCAA, but can we please stop mistaking the DCA for the GCAA?
Department of Civil Aviation=Airport Operator
GCAA=Regulatory Body
There is a big difference, however, as I said I believe the relationship between Emirates and the GCAA might be a bit too cozy.
I believe there was a message floating around from BM that the EK ASR reporting procedure was adequate and the ROSI was not required to be filed. Begs the question, if it was not meant for the UAE's largest operator just who was it meant for? How much safety data could they expect to gather from the other "small" operators? If it wasn't meant for EK pilots to fill it out, it was a wasted effort really.
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Point taken, as I said with this "family" government he could influence things.
My point was, that it seems several times in the past people have confused DCA with GCAA.
A bit pedantic I know.
My point was, that it seems several times in the past people have confused DCA with GCAA.
A bit pedantic I know.
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The cabin crew have now been told they are no longer able to cite fatigue as a reason for illness.
SaudiArabian had this stipulation long ago (for a short period) when hosties started calling in 'fatigued' for no good reason...other than for the possible reason of not being able to climb out of the sack with their boyfriends/girlfriends.
Pilots should not be concerned with CC roster procedures, anyway.
If they are, perhaps reapplying as a CC member might be an alternative.
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One really does have a stick up ones ar*e doesnt one?
Please dont belittle or stereotype CC.
Our issues and concerns with EK are just valid as the pilots'.
Fatigue is a serious issue, and a reality.
Unfortunately, i am fatigued because of the ridiculous tight rostering, unearthly times, lack of effective bidding, lack of valid swaps, constant roster changes,
add this to bullying management styles, waiter-turned managers really.
No, Am too tired to even think of a good romp, as you suggest..
Please dont belittle or stereotype CC.
Our issues and concerns with EK are just valid as the pilots'.
Fatigue is a serious issue, and a reality.
Unfortunately, i am fatigued because of the ridiculous tight rostering, unearthly times, lack of effective bidding, lack of valid swaps, constant roster changes,
add this to bullying management styles, waiter-turned managers really.
No, Am too tired to even think of a good romp, as you suggest..
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411A, what was it like during the war? Your the strongest argument for retiring at 60.
EK cabin crew rosters are a concern for pilots because at the end of the day we are responsible for the overall safety of the crew and the flight.
dubaicrew, I sympathize with you 100%. I am to tired to think of a bad romp
EK cabin crew rosters are a concern for pilots because at the end of the day we are responsible for the overall safety of the crew and the flight.
dubaicrew, I sympathize with you 100%. I am to tired to think of a bad romp
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I am to tired to think of a bad romp
EK cabin crew rosters are a concern for pilots because at the end of the day we are responsible for the overall safety of the crew and the flight.
Whereas, senior Captains have long ago learned to rely on the cabin supervisor, to keep the back end ship shape.
Oh well, the junior types will learn....someday.
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411A
Mate or,better, dude...
What kind of racist, classist, inhuman individuals you are?
I'm amazed. Your arse licking capabilities, sicophantic patronization,
arrogance and imbecillity goes behond any expectations.
The sad part is that you are the kind of mankind scum that is just perfect for EK!
May be you feel like a mix of Chuck Yeager and George Washington but we all know that you are just being remotely controlled from the ground dude..wake up!! You are more of a George Bush like guy....
I believe you are on of EK favorite DECs .Such level of obtusity is rare!!!!!
Working for EK is becoming more and more immoral...but you juts don't know what I'm talking about, right?
All the worst..mate...sorry..dude!!
What kind of racist, classist, inhuman individuals you are?
I'm amazed. Your arse licking capabilities, sicophantic patronization,
arrogance and imbecillity goes behond any expectations.
The sad part is that you are the kind of mankind scum that is just perfect for EK!
May be you feel like a mix of Chuck Yeager and George Washington but we all know that you are just being remotely controlled from the ground dude..wake up!! You are more of a George Bush like guy....
I believe you are on of EK favorite DECs .Such level of obtusity is rare!!!!!
Working for EK is becoming more and more immoral...but you juts don't know what I'm talking about, right?
All the worst..mate...sorry..dude!!
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411A
No, just the mark of a good captain.
The only other person I ever heard say "poor dear" was an elderly lady expressing sorrow for someone who missed a flight.
Since your drawing conclusions, heres one for you.
Your an old fu@#ing queen, keep your own "back end" ship shape.
Dont you have a fence to build?
No, just the mark of a good captain.
The only other person I ever heard say "poor dear" was an elderly lady expressing sorrow for someone who missed a flight.
Since your drawing conclusions, heres one for you.
Your an old fu@#ing queen, keep your own "back end" ship shape.
Dont you have a fence to build?
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As much as I HATE to admit it, he does have a point with this:
and this:
and even this:
Regarding not getting too concerned with CC rostering:
It's not that no one cares - the simple fact is the wide extremes of competency displayed by EK CC under OPTIMUM conditions (well-rested, daytime, start of trip, etc) invariably leads to the conclusion that EK rostering and management practices, whilst nefarious and sleazy, are simply yet another roll of the dice in this sad joint.
I dream of flying with crew who, at the very least, can all understand and speak Engrish and can simply do as instructed. Pilots included, sometimes.
Pilots should not be concerned with CC roster procedures, anyway.
The mark of a junior Captain.
Whereas, senior Captains have long ago learned to rely on the cabin supervisor
Whereas, senior Captains have long ago learned to rely on the cabin supervisor
the junior types will learn
It's not that no one cares - the simple fact is the wide extremes of competency displayed by EK CC under OPTIMUM conditions (well-rested, daytime, start of trip, etc) invariably leads to the conclusion that EK rostering and management practices, whilst nefarious and sleazy, are simply yet another roll of the dice in this sad joint.
I dream of flying with crew who, at the very least, can all understand and speak Engrish and can simply do as instructed. Pilots included, sometimes.