Dubai the biggest and deepest S.H. on planet Earth
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The only rule Dubai respects
The only rule that is respected in Dubai is the rule of who you are and who you know.
If you are high up in the food chain you can get away with anything.....always, even if you are an ex-pat.
If you are high up in the food chain you can get away with anything.....always, even if you are an ex-pat.
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May I recommend Gainsborough, UK for you to take up gainful employment in paradise?
If you guys think Dubai's a s*hole, take a stroll down any UK town centre at about 11pm. It's fab. Pissed up, pasty-faced, tattoed chavs will punch you in the face just because you aren't white, look as though you may have a job, or for no reason whatsoever.
You will be fined 200 quid if you put too much rubbish in the bin you pay 200 quid a month to be emptied twice a month.
Park with a tyre just over a line? Clamped. 100 quid and a 2 hour wait.
Did I mention the taxes? The weather? EU law?
Children in school assaulting teachers? Then their parents joining in?
Rapists out after 5 years for 'good behaviour'. That's a laugh.
People claiming benefits and free rent because if they get a job, they end up worse off and lose their free state money, therefore they stay on benefit forever, doing nothing, while those who work and pay tax end up working harder and paying more tax.
Somebody rude to you? Sexual discrimination. Sue. Lawyers make money, taxpayer pays.
Go to Gainsborough. It's waiting for you, and it truly is a sh*thole of gargantuan proportions. I've been to both.
No matter where you go in this world, somebody will always slag it off. I met a chap in Bermuda who complained about 'island fever' and a lack of highways where you could 'just drive for an hour or two'. For f*ck's sake.
Anyway. Happy New Year to you all, regardless of creed, colour, sex, religion or choice of football club (as long as it's not Manchester United, who are bastards, as we all know).
May I recommend Gainsborough, UK for you to take up gainful employment in paradise?
If you guys think Dubai's a s*hole, take a stroll down any UK town centre at about 11pm. It's fab. Pissed up, pasty-faced, tattoed chavs will punch you in the face just because you aren't white, look as though you may have a job, or for no reason whatsoever.
You will be fined 200 quid if you put too much rubbish in the bin you pay 200 quid a month to be emptied twice a month.
Park with a tyre just over a line? Clamped. 100 quid and a 2 hour wait.
Did I mention the taxes? The weather? EU law?
Children in school assaulting teachers? Then their parents joining in?
Rapists out after 5 years for 'good behaviour'. That's a laugh.
People claiming benefits and free rent because if they get a job, they end up worse off and lose their free state money, therefore they stay on benefit forever, doing nothing, while those who work and pay tax end up working harder and paying more tax.
Somebody rude to you? Sexual discrimination. Sue. Lawyers make money, taxpayer pays.
Go to Gainsborough. It's waiting for you, and it truly is a sh*thole of gargantuan proportions. I've been to both.
No matter where you go in this world, somebody will always slag it off. I met a chap in Bermuda who complained about 'island fever' and a lack of highways where you could 'just drive for an hour or two'. For f*ck's sake.
Anyway. Happy New Year to you all, regardless of creed, colour, sex, religion or choice of football club (as long as it's not Manchester United, who are bastards, as we all know).
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No my friend it's NOT the same in the West. If you have powerfull friends in the West you can get away with a few things but not with everything.
I do however understand the reaction of some of the British on this thread regarding their own country. It is mainly these Brits that can pull some strings in DXB as well.
Two cultures that walk hand in hand.
I do however understand the reaction of some of the British on this thread regarding their own country. It is mainly these Brits that can pull some strings in DXB as well.
Two cultures that walk hand in hand.
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Part 8
I'm just reporting fact and there is no reason to attack me.
I already left the S.H. and I went back to life.
No money on earth can replace freedom of speach, democracy and legality so imagine the crap money that Emirates pays. I just think that to like the S.H you have to be out of alternatives and trying to convince yourself or you have to be affected by a strong Stockholm syndrome. But at the end all of you in some deep corner of your minds knows that Dubai is the biggest S.H. on planet earth.
And a bankrupt one now.
I'm just reporting fact and there is no reason to attack me.
You are exclusivley reporting negative facts expressed in the worst possible terms. Tell us which country you are now so blissfully living in and I'm sure a list of unflattering "Just the facts" could be compiled.
Good on you for choosing to leave somewhere that so obviously didn't suit you. I take it it did at one time or you wouldn't have come.
Are you sure it's people still in Dubai trying to convince themselves of something?
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DOSC ..... Dubai Offload Septic Club
I just came with this one early this morning
At least one public beach in the vicinity had to be closed also ("the National" this morning)
This, with the announced sudden cancellation of the New Year celebrations (same source) will not help turism and business too much.
Fortunately with DXB working mainly as a hub, there will still be passengers for us.
And also for the deepest sh... (see title of the thread) they call it - same newspaper again, quoting some DXB municipality official: " a lagoon " (!!!??!!) "in the outskirts of Dubai" - so the 1000 $ question is, where will it be ?"
I just came with this one early this morning
At least one public beach in the vicinity had to be closed also ("the National" this morning)
This, with the announced sudden cancellation of the New Year celebrations (same source) will not help turism and business too much.
Fortunately with DXB working mainly as a hub, there will still be passengers for us.
And also for the deepest sh... (see title of the thread) they call it - same newspaper again, quoting some DXB municipality official: " a lagoon " (!!!??!!) "in the outskirts of Dubai" - so the 1000 $ question is, where will it be ?"
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Why, are you planning a picnic?
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Yes I am bitter for the simple fact that European Airlines have to compete with EK on an unfair basis. We have to comply with strict rules and regulations while EK has the DGCA in their pocket.
But the corruption is spilling over the borders and soon you may see some action in European coutrs that will shock the banks that borrow money to EK.
Yes I am bitter for the simple fact that European Airlines have to compete with EK on an unfair basis. We have to comply with strict rules and regulations while EK has the DGCA in their pocket.
But the corruption is spilling over the borders and soon you may see some action in European coutrs that will shock the banks that borrow money to EK.
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Oh come on, EK has absolute influence within the GCAA. Take a look at our FTL's. Whenever a new route appears, or one that cannot be completed under the normal FTL's during certain periods of the year, then a Variation appears to cover it. Usually rest is given after such stupid pairings, but that does no good in the last stages of approach to land at 0530AM.
How else are the insane rest facilities on board allowed?
CRC facilities are a joke. Captain at the back of the aircraft for rest?? Brilliant! Temperature and humidity controls that simply do not work. Noise beyond belief in the A380.
Non-CRC rest was required in a fully reclined first class seat, blocked off from other passengers. We don't even have fully reclining seats so that was never followed. Then the adjacent seat was allowed to be sold. Now ED and TCAS have once again shown their lack of intelligence and credibility by not fighting against business class only rest seats (noise, rude and loud passengers, service etc).
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I read that EK has more employees per aircraft than most operators, yet less pilots per aircraft. In addition to that, we fly our aircraft more hours per day than almost any other operator. Something is out of whack there.
Pick up at off-blocks minus 2 1/4 hours. Duty starts at off-blocks minus 1 hour (we're already into our pre-flights by that time). Duty ends at on-blocks. Remember the attempted ''factored'' flight times? Only after ASR's and a massive increase in health related issues and sick days did the GCAA intercede. And that took effect... not immediately... but after another month of craziness.
Attempted layovers that defy sensibility. Fatigue problems are not an issue with EK management. Simple as that!
Training days went from 2 ground-school and 2 sim days, to potentially ONE sim day. Plus we no longer receive credit for training days.
EK controls, manipulates and decides what the GCAA does. To think otherwise is to be naive. The only areas where the GCAA restrict EK, are with respect to things such as licence re-issue time frames, medical re-instatements and such. EK throws them these bones to make everything look on the up and up.
The GCAA only responds when inundated with ASR's and only after they conclude they would potentially suffer some legal responsibility in the event of a fatigue related accident.
Buddy who posted above is absolutely correct. EK does not operate on a level playing field. This is good for us in one respect because it makes our jobs more secure and our company profitable, but the downside is an operation that over-extends it's employees. Do not kid yourself, EK would do even more if not for the ''appearance'' of impropriety. ASR's are our only recourse, because they are documented proof of insane practices.
How else are the insane rest facilities on board allowed?
CRC facilities are a joke. Captain at the back of the aircraft for rest?? Brilliant! Temperature and humidity controls that simply do not work. Noise beyond belief in the A380.
Non-CRC rest was required in a fully reclined first class seat, blocked off from other passengers. We don't even have fully reclining seats so that was never followed. Then the adjacent seat was allowed to be sold. Now ED and TCAS have once again shown their lack of intelligence and credibility by not fighting against business class only rest seats (noise, rude and loud passengers, service etc).
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I read that EK has more employees per aircraft than most operators, yet less pilots per aircraft. In addition to that, we fly our aircraft more hours per day than almost any other operator. Something is out of whack there.
Pick up at off-blocks minus 2 1/4 hours. Duty starts at off-blocks minus 1 hour (we're already into our pre-flights by that time). Duty ends at on-blocks. Remember the attempted ''factored'' flight times? Only after ASR's and a massive increase in health related issues and sick days did the GCAA intercede. And that took effect... not immediately... but after another month of craziness.
Attempted layovers that defy sensibility. Fatigue problems are not an issue with EK management. Simple as that!
Training days went from 2 ground-school and 2 sim days, to potentially ONE sim day. Plus we no longer receive credit for training days.
EK controls, manipulates and decides what the GCAA does. To think otherwise is to be naive. The only areas where the GCAA restrict EK, are with respect to things such as licence re-issue time frames, medical re-instatements and such. EK throws them these bones to make everything look on the up and up.
The GCAA only responds when inundated with ASR's and only after they conclude they would potentially suffer some legal responsibility in the event of a fatigue related accident.
Buddy who posted above is absolutely correct. EK does not operate on a level playing field. This is good for us in one respect because it makes our jobs more secure and our company profitable, but the downside is an operation that over-extends it's employees. Do not kid yourself, EK would do even more if not for the ''appearance'' of impropriety. ASR's are our only recourse, because they are documented proof of insane practices.
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Is this thread for real ? Is everyone that is complaining a new comer to the UAE or something ?
You live in the middle east, what do you people expect ?
I am sure that everyone who hates it so much has left and gone back to their home countrys right ?
You live in the middle east, what do you people expect ?
I am sure that everyone who hates it so much has left and gone back to their home countrys right ?
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I came,I saw,I left.
I did almost 13 years in the sand pit.
It is my humble opinion that EK "could" have been the finest and most sought after job in the world-and DXB as a place to live-BUT they blew it in a big way on both fronts through greed,hubris and utter arrogance.Im am afraid the arrival of CK,AS & ED were the nails in the coffin for me and many of my era(150 plus in 2 years),they truly did absolutely nothing except do as their masters demanded by worsening a once decent job,yet all had long tenures at major unionised carriers.They conveniently left any integrity behind.Having now met colleagues of all at their previous airlines all were held in low esteem EK took them. AAR started the slide,he has been helped along by the UAE DGCA and EK underlings topping up significant non UAE pensions "back home".In the meantime many pilots who would not dream of coming to DXB previously came as their airlines went to the wall.There were x2 Americans when I joined....the success of EK has been amazing but it most certainly was not on a level playing field,but to suggest it was and still is is really hard to accept.The PR people did a great job.
The first 5-6 years were good but the arrival of arrogant and spineless "managers" both expat and local was the start of the slide for me.The experience I gained was great as it is for many,early command,widebody,etc etc but for me the lack of freedom of speech and utter hypocrosy of the locals and their expat sycophants running EK made the job unattractive and tiring beyond belief on "adjusted FTLs",cost neutral,etc ploicies aided by a compliant authority.
The job is easy and secure,but be realistic if you ever fall through the cracks on the glossy veneer of DXB there is NO safety net.I saw at very close hand death on the roads,astonishing medical incompetance and break ins,the DXB police were frankly unbelievable.Expect zero help from your embassy.
VR posts some inconvenient truths for the uninitiated and others can draw upon personal experience.My neighbour was even called to the office by CK and told in no uncertain terms to "keep quiet" about the break in to his villa,as it doesnt "help encourage" pilots to join.
There are drawbacks to being back in Europe of course as highlighted,but I would never return nor could I live in DXB again but it can offer a great deal providing you remain aware of the fact that as an expat you mean nothing and you never will to EK or the UAE.Take what you can for you and your family but beware there is an increased risk should you ever fall through the cracks.DXB aspires to greatness but of course it cannot and never will be a true 1st world city until democracy arrives with a fair honest legal system,and we all know that is unlikely-ever.
There remains life after EK,but it is taxed.
Happy New Year & safe flying,
IC
It is my humble opinion that EK "could" have been the finest and most sought after job in the world-and DXB as a place to live-BUT they blew it in a big way on both fronts through greed,hubris and utter arrogance.Im am afraid the arrival of CK,AS & ED were the nails in the coffin for me and many of my era(150 plus in 2 years),they truly did absolutely nothing except do as their masters demanded by worsening a once decent job,yet all had long tenures at major unionised carriers.They conveniently left any integrity behind.Having now met colleagues of all at their previous airlines all were held in low esteem EK took them. AAR started the slide,he has been helped along by the UAE DGCA and EK underlings topping up significant non UAE pensions "back home".In the meantime many pilots who would not dream of coming to DXB previously came as their airlines went to the wall.There were x2 Americans when I joined....the success of EK has been amazing but it most certainly was not on a level playing field,but to suggest it was and still is is really hard to accept.The PR people did a great job.
The first 5-6 years were good but the arrival of arrogant and spineless "managers" both expat and local was the start of the slide for me.The experience I gained was great as it is for many,early command,widebody,etc etc but for me the lack of freedom of speech and utter hypocrosy of the locals and their expat sycophants running EK made the job unattractive and tiring beyond belief on "adjusted FTLs",cost neutral,etc ploicies aided by a compliant authority.
The job is easy and secure,but be realistic if you ever fall through the cracks on the glossy veneer of DXB there is NO safety net.I saw at very close hand death on the roads,astonishing medical incompetance and break ins,the DXB police were frankly unbelievable.Expect zero help from your embassy.
VR posts some inconvenient truths for the uninitiated and others can draw upon personal experience.My neighbour was even called to the office by CK and told in no uncertain terms to "keep quiet" about the break in to his villa,as it doesnt "help encourage" pilots to join.
There are drawbacks to being back in Europe of course as highlighted,but I would never return nor could I live in DXB again but it can offer a great deal providing you remain aware of the fact that as an expat you mean nothing and you never will to EK or the UAE.Take what you can for you and your family but beware there is an increased risk should you ever fall through the cracks.DXB aspires to greatness but of course it cannot and never will be a true 1st world city until democracy arrives with a fair honest legal system,and we all know that is unlikely-ever.
There remains life after EK,but it is taxed.
Happy New Year & safe flying,
IC
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dubai sucks anyone?
Like practically all Gulf nations, Dubai has chosen the the worst of western excesses while ignoring all that is good, freedom of speech / religion, democracy, womens rights just to name a few. Some are better like Bahrain imo and some are worse such as Saudi (the real deal when it comes to gulf 5h1t holes)
Anyone with some spare time and some web building know how (I have neither) might follow the example of this site QATARSUCKS | and the world needs to know!
Interesting and alot in common with DXB, apart from just sucking..
Anyone with some spare time and some web building know how (I have neither) might follow the example of this site QATARSUCKS | and the world needs to know!
Interesting and alot in common with DXB, apart from just sucking..
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May I recommend Gainsborough, UK for you to take up gainful employment in paradise?
If you guys think Dubai's a s*hole, take a stroll down any UK town centre at about 11pm. It's fab. Pissed up, pasty-faced, tattoed chavs will punch you in the face just because you aren't white, look as though you may have a job, or for no reason whatsoever.
If you guys think Dubai's a s*hole, take a stroll down any UK town centre at about 11pm. It's fab. Pissed up, pasty-faced, tattoed chavs will punch you in the face just because you aren't white, look as though you may have a job, or for no reason whatsoever.
only if you go in places where your asking for it!
You will be fined 200 quid if you put too much rubbish in the bin you pay 200 quid a month to be emptied twice a month.
Park with a tyre just over a line? Clamped. 100 quid and a 2 hour wait.
arnt you exaggerating a bit there?
Did I mention the taxes? The weather? EU law?
Children in school assaulting teachers? Then their parents joining in?
Rapists out after 5 years for 'good behaviour'. That's a laugh.
People claiming benefits and free rent because if they get a job, they end up worse off and lose their free state money, therefore they stay on benefit forever, doing nothing, while those who work and pay tax end up working harder and paying more tax.
somebody rude to you? Sexual discrimination. Sue. Lawyers make money, taxpayer pays.
there is people like that in all countries
Go to Gainsborough. It's waiting for you, and it truly is a sh*thole of gargantuan proportions. I've been to both.
No matter where you go in this world, somebody will always slag it off. I met a chap in Bermuda who complained about 'island fever' and a lack of highways where you could 'just drive for an hour or two'. For f*ck's sake.
Anyway. Happy New Year to you all, regardless of creed, colour, sex, religion or choice of football club (as long as it's not Manchester United, who are bastards, as we all know).
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where is this nirvana where you get free health care?
When I was in the UK health care cost me a fortune, what with punitive rates of tax, prescription charges, dental charges, fee's to BUPA etc.
So if there is someplace where you free health care then please let us all in on the secret.
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Some facts
To Von Richtofen
Some facts,
The South African courts convicted him for many violent “crimes” and he served 27 years in prison.
And after being released from prison he was the president of a country for four years.
He was Nelson Mandela.
If you write certain facts in a certain way you can be very misleading.
I am not comparing Dubai with the great Nelson Mandela.
Dubai has its share of the good, the bad, and the ugly. But come on man if you dig deep any where you will surely find dirt even in the most “safest” of the nations.
As the saying goes “NOBODY IS PERFECT”.
But still there are no gun wielding maniacs in schools.
Some facts,
The South African courts convicted him for many violent “crimes” and he served 27 years in prison.
And after being released from prison he was the president of a country for four years.
He was Nelson Mandela.
If you write certain facts in a certain way you can be very misleading.
I am not comparing Dubai with the great Nelson Mandela.
Dubai has its share of the good, the bad, and the ugly. But come on man if you dig deep any where you will surely find dirt even in the most “safest” of the nations.
As the saying goes “NOBODY IS PERFECT”.
But still there are no gun wielding maniacs in schools.