DAE Flight Academy: Students' feedback please!
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Well from what I've heard the first batch will not graduate till the middle of next year. As for the jets they are planning to get for training purposes, DAEFA has almost finalized the deal with Cessna for the twin engined Citation Mustang as you must know that Eclipse has been eclipsed. Having no buyers for the company, they had to shut down and DAEFA had to change its standards for aircrafts.
The screening program is very intense as these first few cadets will make the base of this academy worldwide. Quality is much more important at the moment.
Job placement is not guaranteed from the academy but they will do their best to highlight you amongst other potential candidates for the job.
I read a few posts about DAE shutting down. That is not true. DAEFA is doing fine as of now and should continue to do so unless the recession becomes a depression and even then theres no saying that it will shut down.
The screening program is very intense as these first few cadets will make the base of this academy worldwide. Quality is much more important at the moment.
Job placement is not guaranteed from the academy but they will do their best to highlight you amongst other potential candidates for the job.
I read a few posts about DAE shutting down. That is not true. DAEFA is doing fine as of now and should continue to do so unless the recession becomes a depression and even then theres no saying that it will shut down.
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About the job placements, some confidential stuff is going on there (at the Academy) where some airlines had a visit to the Academy & admired it! in addition to other Business jet companies that are looking for pilots to fly their VLJs & other Business Jets, an insider told me that an agreement will be there sometime before July hopefully.
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The information that all of us have is partly true and partly incorrect. I advise all of you not to take anything to be a sure shot decision or verdict to what is actually happening.
From what I know about DAEFA, they have successfully managed to close the deal with Cessna for their Mustang jet as the Eclipse jet has been eclipsed from the scene.
As for the first batch, they will be graduating by March to April of the coming year and not this June/July. DAEFA has quite an intensive screening procedure as they are definitely looking for cadets who can handle the airline workload and work as a crew rather than most other flying schools that offer you PPL to CPL, etc but no training on working as a crew and making decisions. In those terms DAE has done an incredible job only to make sure that the first few cadets graduating from the academy are able to put in a good word worldwide and encourage other students who dream to work for the airlines someday. The question of them surviving in this time of tight finances is something that only time will tell. Every organization is going through a rough time and so is DAE, without a doubt but DO NOT mistake this as a criteria for the organization to shut down all of its resources especially after having closed the university in a flash. They cannot afford to do so.
Airlines have visited the academy and admired at their bold techniques and a strong hold on giving out a certified ATPL license in the course of a years time as a minima.
They are currently operating their Cirrus SR22 G3 fleet and are due to get their first jet sometime in September.
From what I know about DAEFA, they have successfully managed to close the deal with Cessna for their Mustang jet as the Eclipse jet has been eclipsed from the scene.
As for the first batch, they will be graduating by March to April of the coming year and not this June/July. DAEFA has quite an intensive screening procedure as they are definitely looking for cadets who can handle the airline workload and work as a crew rather than most other flying schools that offer you PPL to CPL, etc but no training on working as a crew and making decisions. In those terms DAE has done an incredible job only to make sure that the first few cadets graduating from the academy are able to put in a good word worldwide and encourage other students who dream to work for the airlines someday. The question of them surviving in this time of tight finances is something that only time will tell. Every organization is going through a rough time and so is DAE, without a doubt but DO NOT mistake this as a criteria for the organization to shut down all of its resources especially after having closed the university in a flash. They cannot afford to do so.
Airlines have visited the academy and admired at their bold techniques and a strong hold on giving out a certified ATPL license in the course of a years time as a minima.
They are currently operating their Cirrus SR22 G3 fleet and are due to get their first jet sometime in September.
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@ SLFY ... about the VLJs
hi there...I'm not sure about your info, but aircraft manufacturers do consider this climate & this market, please visit the VLJs websites to see what are the operating conditions...till this moment I am sure that the Mustangs, Phenoms & Eclipse jets are operational here!, BTW you don't have to takeoff at 12pm in 48 C...you can takeoff at 3pm when its 36 C!
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Malirm, VLJs and airliners have very different engines and the ISA+10 flat rating of most VLJs is a serious limitation in terms of performances and safety margin.
If your family had to travel by car from Dubai to Jeddah in July would you prefer a Rolls Royce in the fifth gear at1800 RPM or two Yaris in the third gear (flat rating) at 3500 RPM ?
If your family had to travel by car from Dubai to Jeddah in July would you prefer a Rolls Royce in the fifth gear at1800 RPM or two Yaris in the third gear (flat rating) at 3500 RPM ?
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@ SFLY
Thanks for the info...I think the Operation of the Jets will be seasonal then, or in cool days!...I'll research it soon 
Talking about cars, I'd prefer a Yaris, as this car comes with GCC Specs while the RR is a RR whereever you go...but I will have to change/modify the cooling system every time the Temp rises!!!, same as alots of EU cars & American cars...specially 2002 models & backwards...BTW I didn't consider the humidity down here!!! nor the dusty winds
Hope the VLJs arriving are a kinda modified for this climate
Talking about cars, I'd prefer a Yaris, as this car comes with GCC Specs while the RR is a RR whereever you go...but I will have to change/modify the cooling system every time the Temp rises!!!, same as alots of EU cars & American cars...specially 2002 models & backwards...BTW I didn't consider the humidity down here!!! nor the dusty winds
Hope the VLJs arriving are a kinda modified for this climate
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Talking about cars, I'd prefer a Yaris, as this car comes with GCC Specs while the RR is a RR whereever you go...but I will have to change/modify the cooling system every time the Temp rises!!!, same as alots of EU cars & American cars...specially 2002 models & backwards...BTW I didn't consider the humidity down here!!! nor the dusty winds
Hope the VLJs arriving are a kinda modified for this climate
Hope the VLJs arriving are a kinda modified for this climate
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Job applications just closed for Instructors to work there, so they can't be closing down!
The Cessna Mustang is the VLJ they will be using, I confirmed by phone call to them.
The Cessna Mustang is the VLJ they will be using, I confirmed by phone call to them.
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I know one of the instructors working there. Last I spoke to him he was very positive about the Academy and the prospect of flying Jets, though I've been told that nothing has been confirmed about the Mustang yet...although very probable considering that Eclipse has gone 'belly up'.
If the Academy IS closing down, why hasn't he been told yet? Is my friend and colleague going to go to work one day only to be told that he hasn't got a job anymore? Or is this just the way the Academy operates i.e. keep all the staff in the dark without any communication till the last minute?
It's probably a good thing that I didn't apply for a job there. I don't like working with uncertainty. I believe it doesn't make for a healthy working environment. At least I know MY current job is secure!
If the Academy IS closing down, why hasn't he been told yet? Is my friend and colleague going to go to work one day only to be told that he hasn't got a job anymore? Or is this just the way the Academy operates i.e. keep all the staff in the dark without any communication till the last minute?
It's probably a good thing that I didn't apply for a job there. I don't like working with uncertainty. I believe it doesn't make for a healthy working environment. At least I know MY current job is secure!
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Hi ichenel
To my knowledge, the answer is "No"!!
There isn't such kind of financial facilitation with any banks that could be related to DAEFA tuition fees. Cadets should make their own arrangements when it comes to money! I can sense from your words that you are comparing this type of financial aid to that available with FTO,s in Europe and Australia. Unfortunately, this is not valid over here.
To my knowledge, the answer is "No"!!
There isn't such kind of financial facilitation with any banks that could be related to DAEFA tuition fees. Cadets should make their own arrangements when it comes to money! I can sense from your words that you are comparing this type of financial aid to that available with FTO,s in Europe and Australia. Unfortunately, this is not valid over here.
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@ BlueSky1
The culture in the gulf is completely different to what you see elsewhere around the world. The trend on this side of the globe is more to do the job today and get sacked when needed. You cannot argue or challenge any of these rules here. The instructors can be kept in the dark even minutes before they are sacked. Confidentiality plays a big role here. Besides, I'm very sure they all know that the word is around about DAE in trouble. These kind of things are never publicised so all of us being kept in the dark is perfectly alright.
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@ Everyone
DAE has been in trouble and this was confirmed 2 weeks back when Emirates, Etihad, Air Arabia and a few other airlines had a meeting with the DAE group in Dubai and it was then disclosed to them that the flight academy is up for sale.
Due to the progress of the course and the base of this academy not being structured like an aviation course, DAE finally decided to let an airline treat it as its own training facility.
Emirates and Etihad are the 2 most promising candidates to take up the offer as of now.
DAE has now disclosed it to all major airlines in the middle east about their lack of structure and failure to get aircrafts and continue the course as planned. Due to this, the current batch will finish later than planned and the aircrafts on order will be down at DAE sooner
Due to the progress of the course and the base of this academy not being structured like an aviation course, DAE finally decided to let an airline treat it as its own training facility.
Emirates and Etihad are the 2 most promising candidates to take up the offer as of now.
DAE has now disclosed it to all major airlines in the middle east about their lack of structure and failure to get aircrafts and continue the course as planned. Due to this, the current batch will finish later than planned and the aircrafts on order will be down at DAE sooner
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I know a friend at the Academy he got his contract with them and start on May 23rd 2009 , I am very Interested to join him .
Is there any chance of me joining him on the course ? because Iam worried after reading all these comments about the Academy Closing.
No one told me it was going to close , and Iam really keen to start the course.
what should I do ?
Is there any chance of me joining him on the course ? because Iam worried after reading all these comments about the Academy Closing.
No one told me it was going to close , and Iam really keen to start the course.
what should I do ?
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About DAEFA
Hi Guys & Guls, I was on the phone with a DAE FA representative & asked him clearly if he even heard something about selling DAEFA or anything...well, he just told me that these are pure rumours...
I don't really know if this is right, but lets wait & see
I don't really know if this is right, but lets wait & see
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hey buddies
let me tell you the truth about DAE they promise but fail ask any one there or any new students coming if ever they have started.
the chair of emirates has stopped financing them, so its either a shut down or a sell off which i doubt any one would buy off ,
they paint a rosy picture but its not the truth, the management make it look professional but it is full of politics and who is able to seduce poor candidates of their money
their flying program has even been reduced ,more sims than actual and 100 000 us dollars plus their agreement with airlines all false and not disclosing it if they were in partnership their students should be informed and made to keep it private or an expulsion but no, many instructors have made a wrong decision leaving their previous academies or airlines to this
trust me
let me tell you the truth about DAE they promise but fail ask any one there or any new students coming if ever they have started.
the chair of emirates has stopped financing them, so its either a shut down or a sell off which i doubt any one would buy off ,
they paint a rosy picture but its not the truth, the management make it look professional but it is full of politics and who is able to seduce poor candidates of their money
their flying program has even been reduced ,more sims than actual and 100 000 us dollars plus their agreement with airlines all false and not disclosing it if they were in partnership their students should be informed and made to keep it private or an expulsion but no, many instructors have made a wrong decision leaving their previous academies or airlines to this
trust me