DAE Flight Academy: Students' feedback please!
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It is wiser to spend money in a European academy where you can get JAR license and much complete experience (weather, procedures, traffic etc.) than a UAE license in a flat hot and sunny country with Cat III 3500m runways. This is not to mention the smart decision about the Eclispe as a trainer... I am not willing to offend people from DAE who I'm sure are professionals but as far as I can see there is not so many benefits to get trained over there (if this is still on the way...)
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need some local responses...bad...even from the company...there is much not being told here.
the eclipse deal is dead, has been for a few months. they have none.
wont get any. current students what are you told your jet time will be in 
the 2 cirrus are grounded the diesel engines are gone
so avgas at 16-18 usd per gal doesnt sound too economic
whaaaaa???do i go or not
the eclipse deal is dead, has been for a few months. they have none. wont get any. current students what are you told your jet time will be in the 2 cirrus are grounded the diesel engines are gone so avgas at 16-18 usd per gal doesnt sound too economic whaaaaa???do i go or not
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Time to write this place off
In case anyone is curious, DAEFA is no more. They couldn't find a buyer, they didn't have the right people in the top of the company, and lets face it, they couldn't do anything there anyway. You can't fly for five months out of the year and even if you could, their instructor turn over rate is over 65%. They had little to no safety culture and they were buggard from the onset.
A group of people there, who actually cared about the academy making it were told to shut up. I heard that someone had to call the factory just to make sure they were fixing an airplane right and he was canned for it. What a culture they have there. Personally, I say kuddos to him for stepping up to them and trying to bring oblivious problems to their attention. But that's not how things are done there.
Well, guess another one bites the dust. Wish they would have done better. This place looked pretty good and as a fellow wanabe, can't believe they couldn't make better with an almost unlimited budget. Talking to a few of the students I know that WENT there, I wouldn't have any trust in the top three people running the place and wouldn't want them at any company I worked for. They lied the whole time to everyone even the empliyees and were so under qualified that it was doomed from the start of this year. Of course no names, but the Program Manager, HT and DOP are the ones they said having and causing the biggest problem and ran it into the ground.
It's a sad day in history when a company with almost unlimited resources can't even convince someone to purchase them for fills on the dirham. Sad, sad, sad.
Well, when one goes down another will come up I guess. Seems to be what I have seen in the aviation world in the last 36 years I have been a part of it.
A group of people there, who actually cared about the academy making it were told to shut up. I heard that someone had to call the factory just to make sure they were fixing an airplane right and he was canned for it. What a culture they have there. Personally, I say kuddos to him for stepping up to them and trying to bring oblivious problems to their attention. But that's not how things are done there.
Well, guess another one bites the dust. Wish they would have done better. This place looked pretty good and as a fellow wanabe, can't believe they couldn't make better with an almost unlimited budget. Talking to a few of the students I know that WENT there, I wouldn't have any trust in the top three people running the place and wouldn't want them at any company I worked for. They lied the whole time to everyone even the empliyees and were so under qualified that it was doomed from the start of this year. Of course no names, but the Program Manager, HT and DOP are the ones they said having and causing the biggest problem and ran it into the ground.
It's a sad day in history when a company with almost unlimited resources can't even convince someone to purchase them for fills on the dirham. Sad, sad, sad.
Well, when one goes down another will come up I guess. Seems to be what I have seen in the aviation world in the last 36 years I have been a part of it.
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Will the students get refunds or any kind of credits for the wasted time ...anyone heard of contingency planning when things dont go quite as planned...i want these guys on my next flight crew. would add a few sads to previous post.
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Who knows whats next
They might have not had unlimited funds, but they still had a huge amount of capital behind them. More than most other flight schools that have started. Still, it is a shame. RollInOut, I would have to agree with you on that. I still think everyone should look at the www.daeflightacademy.com website and take a good look at the profiles of the people on it and then think hard about what words can mean if they are used in the perfect way.
Maybe something good will come out of this though.
There was "Top ten ways to save the Flight Academy" list but it's beyond a point of where it could mean anything. Sounds like business as normal for that part of the world.
Good luck to all of you former DAEFA employees and wish you all nothing but the best.
Maybe something good will come out of this though.
There was "Top ten ways to save the Flight Academy" list but it's beyond a point of where it could mean anything. Sounds like business as normal for that part of the world.
Good luck to all of you former DAEFA employees and wish you all nothing but the best.
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Bad to hear the news about DAE FA, I was a potential cadet who went for Alpha Aviation Academy at the end of the way (changed my mind suddenly).
I was with one of Alpha's employees last week, where he told me that he was on the phone with DAEFA Management & they were talking about offering DAEFA cadets some seats in the MPL program or so!
As Soon As I get some news...I'll keep you updated, hope for the best though
I was with one of Alpha's employees last week, where he told me that he was on the phone with DAEFA Management & they were talking about offering DAEFA cadets some seats in the MPL program or so!
As Soon As I get some news...I'll keep you updated, hope for the best though
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terminated.
its all over then, another great success for RAK !
All staff terminated a few days ago,
when will people learn you need more than a few bright lights and tinsel.......
All staff terminated a few days ago,
when will people learn you need more than a few bright lights and tinsel.......
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Details of severance packages due out this coming monday according to my sources. The sad thing about this whole farce is that they all knew it was coming...months and months ago! At least those at the top knew about it. Some had their heads in the proverbial sand while happily cruising down that long river in Egypt but some of the realists were out job hunting back in Feb.
As one previous poster commented, another phenomenal RAK success...now what's the latest on that space station, I'm just dying for a go!
Hustle on!
As one previous poster commented, another phenomenal RAK success...now what's the latest on that space station, I'm just dying for a go!
Hustle on!
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Out of pocket? I don't know but that is what usually happens when one of these things goes knockers up. Not sure how these things go in Emirates but in the real world the recievers would come in and value anything valubale that the company owned (aircraft, training materials, company vehicles, IT equipment etc) and divvy up the proceeds of it when it was sold. The spoils would generally go to the creditors as it is deemed more important to prevent other businesses from going out of business as it were due to debts from another business going bust. The little guys tend to get zilch. At least that's what happened to the US based school where I did my training, but that was a long time ago and I was finished before they called last orders.
The promising thing about this however is that the staff are getting severance packages so this money is coming from somewhere, perhaps Big Brother has thrown a few pennies their way to wind up without any tears.
The might have had a fund for such things also but doubtful.
Makes you wonder if Alpha will survive too.
Speaking of Alpha, I saw some mention of students from DAE being transferred across but these courses are not the same as far as I can see. One is the more tradtional ab-initio type, albeit on modern aircraft, while the other is the more modern MPL with all the focus on flying a big jet. I don't know how you could seamlessly transfer these kids from one to the other, especially those who had completed alot of their training. It would be costly to go back to scratch and start over but there doesn't seem to be any other way to blend them in...perhaps I'm wrong.
Out of curiosity, what was the cost of the full package from 0hrs to frozen ATPL / Multi IR?
Will post info as it comes my way.
Good luck,
Hustle On!
The promising thing about this however is that the staff are getting severance packages so this money is coming from somewhere, perhaps Big Brother has thrown a few pennies their way to wind up without any tears.
The might have had a fund for such things also but doubtful.
Makes you wonder if Alpha will survive too.
Speaking of Alpha, I saw some mention of students from DAE being transferred across but these courses are not the same as far as I can see. One is the more tradtional ab-initio type, albeit on modern aircraft, while the other is the more modern MPL with all the focus on flying a big jet. I don't know how you could seamlessly transfer these kids from one to the other, especially those who had completed alot of their training. It would be costly to go back to scratch and start over but there doesn't seem to be any other way to blend them in...perhaps I'm wrong.
Out of curiosity, what was the cost of the full package from 0hrs to frozen ATPL / Multi IR?
Will post info as it comes my way.
Good luck,
Hustle On!
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Out of curiosity, what was the cost of the full package from 0hrs to frozen ATPL / Multi IR?
Dhs440,000@ Alpha (MPL of course)
I wonder how would the figure look like as a result of shifting cadets, if this ever happens, from DAEFA to Alpha?!! Particularly, for those who have completed a significant portion of their training with DAEFA...Guys, I'm paying for your ice-blended Mocha!